Multiple oil puddles on ground after short ride

I had a leak from the gearshift indicator shaft.
I put a new seal in and it leaked soon after.
I pulled it apart and did some measurements and the small little o-rings I got, (I even tried a second supplier) were too small.
I could not find a slightly larger seal.

So I wrapped the notch on the gearshift indicator shaft that the seal sits in, with teflon tape. This basically expanded the inner diameter of the notch.
Then slide seal on. Lots of grease then installl
Leak free since
I did a few test wraps and pressing in of the shaft before I decided the right number of turns of the teflon wrap were needed. There was almost no resistance inserting the shaft before and good resistance after wrapping the teflon tape
Dennis
 
I once had an oil line from pump to oil filter/return to tank develop a crack amd spew oil in the areas you describe. It was the flexible metal conduit on the hose that cut the rubber hose near the end...but of course you need to check all your lines throughly, esp if originals.
I installed new rubber lines and verified they weren't leaking. My bike has no oil filter, but I have noticed that the fitting on the engine for the oil lines to/from the tank is always wet with oil. I will pull this off and see if it has a crack or other type of leak. This will also ensure that it has a new gasket there, too.
 
OP - this doesn't sound right, and doesn't sound like an inferior gasket type or o-ring issue. It sounds like your breathing system is suffocating. Whatever breather you have, it has to return into the tank well above the oil line (the later Commando OEM breather return is so high it's up on the filler neck!). When there are various puddles it's usually the result of oil trying to get out of every orifice it can.

Hope you can get this sorted, sounds like a great bike.

-Kenny
The return for my new reed valve breather is at the top right of the rear vertical surface of the oil tank, well above the oil level. This is in compliance with the installation instructions from JS Motorsport, whom I spoke with directly to answer this very question prior to installation. I must assume it is OK -- they certainly know Nortons better than I do!
 
If you have your top of oil tank connections reversed you will blow lots of oil out of the breather all over.
Wrong connections on top is when the crankcase breather is connected to the top front of tank vent and when the tank breather is connected to the oil tank vertical filler tube
When the above is done, the oil tank is pressurized by the crankcase breather and oil returned by scavenge pump (to oil tank filler tube) is blown into the tank filler top vent tube and blown out all over the engine.
Ask me how I know!!!
Dennis
I assume you must have a later oil tank, as there is only one fitting on the top of my 1970 version. Originally the output of the timed disc PCV went there. I have disabled that system and am now running this port to a small catch bottle, which has a few drops in it after about 50 miles, much of it at highway speeds. My new reed valve PCV vents to the top of my oil tank through a port I added per the installation instructions from JS Motorsport.
 
I know this is an old thread and probably fixed by now but I've got mine leak free. I put a UV dye in the oil, primary and engine, sprayed the whole underside with spray Gunk cleaner and hosed it off. Did an around the block ride and found the alternator grommet leaking. After replacing all the seals and removing the grommet and sealing the wires (3 phase) with Right Stuff it's leak free, at least for the moment 😁
I will definitely look into this, although it's worth pointing out that I am now running a "dry" primary case. I put "dry" in quotes, because there is always a little bit of oil gathering that I assume is squeezing out through crankshaft seals even with my new crankcase ventilation system -- nothing is perfect.
 
I once had an oil tank whose breather was half clogged and had the same results/symptoms as the OP. Oil from everywhere and covering everything, but only after running the rpms high enough to overwhelm the marginal tank breather. Breathed fine at the handful of psi used to check for leaks, but not at 4000+ rpm.
I have blown out the lines that are present on/in my tank. I found no blockages.
 
OK, here is an update on my leaky '70 Commando. I'm just now getting back to it, as I have several other vintage machines that have required my attention (including an AC system rework in my '72 Firebird that, with the onset of the Texas summer, had to take priority). She's blowing 34 degrees F out the vents now.

Back to the Norton. From my original post, here's a list of work I have completed to date. I want to point out that I do very meticulous work, keep a very neat and organized work area (I've overhauled automatic transmissions here -- requires almost surgical cleanliness), and spend WAY more time on each task than is necessary. Old retired guys like me have that luxury!

* Dry primary with belt drive from CNW. New primary cover O-ring gasket.
* PCV conversion from JS Motorsport using the drain plug reed valve and plugging the OEM disc valve outlet
* Plugged the chain lube drip tube
* Replaced (seeping) rocker box gaskets; now dry
* Replaced (leaking) kickstart O-ring and shifter shaft seal; now dry
* Replaced (leaking) tach drive base gasket; now dry
* Pulled oil tank, cleaned it completely, and let it sit overnight filled with fluid covering all connections and fittings. It was completely dry externally the following morning. I found no evidence of a static fluid leak on the bench. Saw no seepage when I pressurized it a bit with compressed air. I did hear it “oil can” a bit when I did this. I saw no evidence of damage, however.
* Cleaned engine externally as best as possible to remove as much residual oil as I could.
* Used compressed air to verify all ports in and out of the oil tank were clear.
* Drained the engine of oil as best I could. I kicked it over repeatedly to get oil to come out the return hose to the tank.
* Replaced the tank and filled it with exactly two quarts of oil (my bike has no oil filter) in an attempt to minimize blow-by.
* Ran the vent tube that originally went from the OEM disc PCV valve to the oil tank and ran it from the oil tank into a catch bottle to verify minimal or no tank pressurization on the road. The bottle is basically dry inside after about 50 miles.

Since I first posted, I have also installed a tach drive housing with a spring-loaded rubber lip seal instead of an O-ring. This immediately stopped the oil spray onto the bottom and right side of the front of the engine.

It also seems my newly-replaced X-ring seal on the kick start shaft has started seeping again, but not enough to cause the problem(s) I'm seeing. It may also be that oil from the leak(s) in front of or over it had pooled there and was still running off.

I added UV dye to the oil. Before I started it or test rode it to see if new fluorescent oil was leaking, I shined the UV light on the current leaks and noted all that oil glowed, too. So, as previously suggested here, I am going to degrease the whole thing to get a fresh start. That will be a big, messy job.

However, I did note that a large amount of oil was puddled under the oil tank. Given that this area is protected in the front by the air cleaner and underneath by the panel it sits on, I can only surmise that a large portion of the leak(s) is coming down from the tank itself. To that end, I currently have the tank off again and am giving it a VERY close inspection for leaks/cracks. Once I assure myself that it does not leak (static and under a little pressure from an air hose), I will degrease everything, take it for a ride, and start this whole frustrating process again. Fun.
 
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