More garbage forced on us

acotrel said:
I suggest there might be a problem with the current mindset. Many kids seem to go to school to become something which is well-paid. I think their motivation is wrong. Many people seem to spend their lives doing things in which they do not have a genuine interest.
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There is definitely a problem with the current mindset
It stems from the schools and primarily the teachers
kids that are now used for university fodder to get into debt (get their parents into debt) for some useless qualifications that nobody needs or wants
 
baz said:
There is definitely a problem with the current mindset
It stems from the schools and primarily the teachers
kids that are now used for university fodder to get into debt (get their parents into debt) for some useless qualifications that nobody needs or wants
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Socialism permeating academia for decades.

Treasonous.
 
My step grandson was recruited into incurring $750K in debt to get a useless (no jobs available) degree, but he did get brainwashed into becoming a socialist, actually damn near, a communist.

He never learned to think for himself, but he can parrot the liberal talking points.
 
We were lucky to grow up in flush times and now the idiots have pissed in the well and the party is over.
If asked my advise would be to get an apprenticeship in a trade and put in the hours. People will always need builders and home repair. In your down time you can become an expert on basket weaving or whatever.
 
I know too many friends/parents who's kids pursued the worthless college degree at an exorbitant cost and are now living at home or are still on parental subsidies.
All are in their 30's.
Yet when discussing social issues they berate and criticize those same conservative mechanisms that allow them to do nothing and bitch about it while their parents are still paying the bills.
Off the top of my head I speak of 3 young ladies one of which is my niece and three young men...all college grads, all at or over the age of thirty.

I also know a young man who went to vocational school to learn the plumbing trade, apprenticed for 6 years, borrowed some startup money from his dad and then started his own company.
 
Lineslinger said:
I also know a young man who went to vocational school to learn the plumbing trade, apprenticed for 6 years, borrowed some startup money from his dad and then started his own company.
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Plumbers, Electricians, and ASE certified Mechanics!!!!

Nearby bike shop charged me just over $150 to remove a tire from a Commando rim, and swap out inner tubes in two other Norton wheels.

I went to lunch after dropping them off, but I'll bet he didn't spend 15 minutes on that. (1 hour minimum charge, I guess)
 
Lineslinger said:
I know too many friends/parents who's kids pursued the worthless college degree at an exorbitant cost and are now living at home or are still on parental subsidies.
All are in their 30's.
Yet when discussing social issues they berate and criticize those same conservative mechanisms that allow them to do nothing and bitch about it while their parents are still paying the bills.
Off the top of my head I speak of 3 young ladies one of which is my niece and three young men...all college grads, all at or over the age of thirty.

I also know a young man who went to vocational school to learn the plumbing trade, apprenticed for 6 years, borrowed some startup money from his dad and then started his own company.
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Recently I read about a follow up of some school leavers 15 years or so after
Most had gone to university except one
He'd trained and became a tower crane operator
Guess which one was married with kids and a house of his own !
 
A college degree was demanded by my parents. I got a degree in marketing and commercial art. I wanted to go into engineering but my parents wouldn't hear of it because I might fail. They were convinced that I was stupid and they didn't want to waste their education dollar. Within three years of graduation computer aided design negated everything I had learned in school and within a decade it made almost all marketing, as was then practiced, obsolete. I spend most of my career as a project manager in online sales and marketing. It was a field that didn't exist until a few years after I graduated from college.

I had taken diesel technology courses in my last two years of high school and even had a job lined up. To my folks that was a one way ticket to the poor house and they had visions of me never leaving home. I look back on my career (now over) and wish I had followed the diesel path. I loved my parents but I know now that they knew nothing about the future.
 
My mothers father was an auto mechanic and chauffer(you had to be both back then) starting about 1914. Sometime in the 1920s he opened his own garage in Dover Delaware and ended up going broke during the depression because he was too kind hearted and extended credit when he couldn't afford it. My mother remembered the sheriffs auction when all of the family possessions were hauled out of their house and sold for pennies on the dollar to pay off creditors. No chapter 11 bankruptcy filings then, and the same people that never paid my grandfather were the same ones bidding on all their stuff. That stuck with her all her life and she was determined to see that it never happened to any of her family again. I wanted to go to tech school and was told that she didn't want any of us having to work with our hands so I entered the work force with no specific training. If I had known then what I know now I would have joined the Navy or Air Force and learned something that I could have used later in life.
 
MikeG said:
My mothers father was an auto mechanic and chauffer(you had to be both back then) starting about 1914. Sometime in the 1920s he opened his own garage in Dover Delaware and ended up going broke during the depression because he was too kind hearted and extended credit when he couldn't afford it. My mother remembered the sheriffs auction when all of the family possessions were hauled out of their house and sold for pennies on the dollar to pay off creditors. No chapter 11 bankruptcy filings then, and the same people that never paid my grandfather were the same ones bidding on all their stuff. That stuck with her all her life and she was determined to see that it never happened to any of her family again. I wanted to go to tech school and was told that she didn't want any of us having to work with our hands so I entered the work force with no specific training. If I had known then what I know now I would have joined the Navy or Air Force and learned something that I could have used later in life.
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Kind of the same story here. My parents were children during the Depression but the impact was so great it traumatized them and an entire generation. We had a whole generation bound and determined to get into the professions (security) at any cost. My grandfather also had an auto shop and had to walk away from it. His customers just left their cars. There is another side to this. My great aunt never married, worked as a secretary, lived in the old home place (no rent) and put all her money in the bank. My great uncle was a welder's helper for 50 years. He too live at the old home place and he put all his money in the bank. My great uncle Bill was a shipping clerk for the same company for 50 years. They didn't change jobs. Security was everything.
 
MikeG said:
If I had known then what I know now I would have joined the Navy or Air Force and learned something that I could have used later in life.
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I already had "fair" mechanical skills, trade, and service sector experience BEFORE I joined the Navy, but I got Basic Electricity & Electronics, Refrigeration Principles, Leadership/Management, and Gas Turbine Compressor tech training while in the service, with 4 years' experience. After that I only really held 3 or 4 positions in the private sector for 2-3 years each; all the rest has been family business or self-employed for 12-16 years per business, typically overlapping. Never went lacking, and now doing relatively well in retirement (MEASLY drips and drabs the bloated government gives us back)
 
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