Health Care or Wealth Care

Craig said:
And 3 times that plus, up here to get that same car .... sorry for our behaviour , however it was an American stick that drew the blood ....
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You almost had me at "black Canadian hockey player" that's a rare person even these days!
 
I can go one better Pete ! by time we hit HS graduation year Nolan (buddy’s real name) was elected student council Pres. ..... our school had largest enrolment (1400) in Province covered huge area of central Nova, anyway every year down in Halifax they have a big charity event/dinner to raise funds for disabled young people .... tickets were and still are very expensive , organizers bring sports celebs to boost ticket sales , that particular year Bobby Orr and a couple other notable Canadian Athletes were the draw , Nolan asked our HS Principal if he and council vice Pres. could spend council money and attend , answer of course was no , I mentioned in passing that anyone could copy Principals signature .... low and behold a car load of us got to go and meet Orr in person , quite a night .... when shit hit fan , none of us would comment and the pressure just kinda faded away ... Prolly race and embarrassment played a role in outcome , still get a laugh at the audacity of our youth ... ... here another I mentioned the tourney in Boston , we Players were expected to fund raise the cost of tickets which we gladly did with bottle drives , we would get someone with a drivers permit we too young , borrow a half ton truck and go door to door , made lots of money... so after the official fund raising ended we continued for one more Saturday a bunch of us arranged for a truck and driver , worked our asses off all day , sold bottles and ended up with enough cash for 12qts of beer 2x40oz bottles of rum plus some coke-cola for mix plus $10 cash each to get us to the Horse dance that night , memorable for sure haha! ...never ever got any feed back on that escapade ....
 
grandpaul said:
...yet those with wealth still come HERE for major medical care...

If you have excess wealth, and can choose from anywhere in the world, why go to the US if others are "better"?
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Better for who? is the question. The USA unquestionably has the most technologically advanced high-end healthcare system, but those at the bottom are teetering on the edge when it comes to having choices. And their care ultimately costs everyone else, many of whom are teetering from paycheck-to-paycheck themselves. If you believe healthcare is like automobiles, our system is great. Buy a Rolls if you have the dough and soldier a smoking beater if that's all you can swing.
 
Triton Thrasher said:
Yes they’re big on health care and also music in schools, which is good.

People being in jail there for criticism of their government isn’t so good.
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The US has the highest population of incarcerated citizens of any civilized country. I would postulate quite a few of them don't deserve to be there either for their specific "crimes". I won't go into the number of innocent folks who were railroaded into jail by jailhouse snitches and overzealous prosecutors. Sorry for the threadjack.
 
Many things the conservatives do are false economy. They provide short term gain which is good for being re-elected. In Australia, our public health care system is excellent. The more wealthy people have private health insurance which offers choice, but choice means nothing except you pay the gap between the insurance and what the actual charges are. If you go public, you pay almost nothing, and the treatment is the same. There are claims that private cover gives you better access to elective surgery, but most of us do not need nose-jobs.
 
Coronavirus is stuffing many politicians whose policies were always suspect.
 
Craig said:
I can go one better Pete ! by time we hit HS graduation year Nolan (buddy’s real name) was elected student council Pres. ..... our school had largest enrolment (1400) in Province covered huge area of central Nova, anyway every year down in Halifax they have a big charity event/dinner to raise funds for disabled young people .... tickets were and still are very expensive , organizers bring sports celebs to boost ticket sales , that particular year Bobby Orr and a couple other notable Canadian Athletes were the draw , Nolan asked our HS Principal if he and council vice Pres. could spend council money and attend , answer of course was no , I mentioned in passing that anyone could copy Principals signature .... low and behold a car load of us got to go and meet Orr in person , quite a night .... when shit hit fan , none of us would comment and the pressure just kinda faded away ... Prolly race and embarrassment played a role in outcome , still get a laugh at the audacity of our youth ... ... here another I mentioned the tourney in Boston , we Players were expected to fund raise the cost of tickets which we gladly did with bottle drives , we would get someone with a drivers permit we too young , borrow a half ton truck and go door to door , made lots of money... so after the official fund raising ended we continued for one more Saturday a bunch of us arranged for a truck and driver , worked our asses off all day , sold bottles and ended up with enough cash for 12qts of beer 2x40oz bottles of rum plus some coke-cola for mix plus $10 cash each to get us to the Horse dance that night , memorable for sure haha! ...never ever got any feed back on that escapade ....
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Glory days Craig, gone in the wink of a you know what.
 
I agree with what Danno said. I think that your choice of hospital has to depend on your condition, where you live whether you want to choose your own doctor or not and whether you have private health insurance cover. So, this topic is really debatable. It's up to you what to choose. I prefer to have private health insurance, as it covers majority of prescription drugs, and that's really convenient. However, other medications like anabolic steroids, are not being covered. For me, it's not a big deal, because I prefer to order it from https://www.acnm-online-pharmacy-usa-store.com, but I wonder how are other people dealing with this issue ?
 
As my orthopedic surgeon said last week when I visited him. Just allow everyone to buy into Medicare. Don't force them. In 3 years 90% of the US will be on medicare and the 'private health care' system in the US will disappear. The we need to fund the people that can't afford it.

Actually I think the US should offer everyone in the country the 'Federal Health Care Benefits Program'. FEHB which I have from working for the PO for 15 years. Choice of purveyor, if you want gold coverage, you get gold. If you want to take a chance, take it. But all the basic stuff is covered by law. Congress people have this benefit. Why can't everyone else? It's actually a 'private health care' system. Costs me about $3K per year and if everyone was on it it would probably drop by half.

Reason HC in this country is expensive is the politicians get paid by the pharma and the HC industry to keep the laws stupid so the HC system can scam the population. That's what America has been built on, grifters, and they're really trying to take over now, fortunately we have a prez who now knows it.

Barnum was wrong, there are at least 100 suckers born every minute.

My wife saw an SUV the other day with a Schutzstaffel (SS) decal on it. I though we fought a WW over that? So many stupid suckers here. Sorry if I offend any Nazis.
 
Most politicians are lawyers.

Insurance companies are heavily armed with lawyers

Hospitals have lawyers.

Pharmaceutical companied have literal ARMIES of lawyers.

Doctors have lawyers.

Getting the picture yet?

If you say it's the politicians that caused the problems, remember, THEY ARE LAWYERS!
 
Damn lawyers! Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, Adam's. Without them we'd be part of Canada and have universal health care. LOL
 
NPeteN said:
This is just the type of reckless Canadian behavior that got us in this mess!

Adjusted for inflation that 2.7k becomes 17k in 2020. You'd need twice that for a 2020 Mustang.

Musta been nice back then....
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Pete , remember minimum wage back then was $1.35 per hour , however a dozen stubby bottles of Alexander Keith’s India Pale Ale set you back $3.24 so all relative , I guess .....
 
acotrel said:
Many things the conservatives do are false economy. They provide short term gain which is good for being re-elected. In Australia, our public health care system is excellent. The more wealthy people have private health insurance which offers choice, but choice means nothing except you pay the gap between the insurance and what the actual charges are. If you go public, you pay almost nothing, and the treatment is the same. There are claims that private cover gives you better access to elective surgery, but most of us do not need nose-jobs.
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My sister and husband are wealthy by any standard (hundreds of millions) their son in-law tore up his knee playing beer league hockey , they needed him to be at work, as he their “numbers guy” .... he was checked out by leading Ortho in city and had his surgery day after that , all in private pay for service clinic in Halifax .... I have had same surgery 2 times on my rt knee both instances .... from injury to surgery was 2 years , but it cost me nothing and had same top Ortho Doc do second one ,thankfully ..... it a better system in all measures if you wealthy ....
 
Some years ago we were on holiday in Florida and enjoying ourselves we priced a villa with the idea of using it for holidays and then retiring there. Looked a really attractive proposition but I checked health insurance for the two of us at 60+ and it killed it stone dead. Would love to know the cost now for decent health cover for a 75 year old male.
 
Craig said:
Pete , remember minimum wage back then was $1.35 per hour , however a dozen stubby bottles of Alexander Keith’s India Pale Ale set you back $3.24 so all relative , I guess .....
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$1.35 in 1970 is $9.50 in 2021 dollars.
$2.25 more than today's U.S. minimum wage.

Can't even find a $3 sixer of shaefer round these parts anymore.
 
Seeing all of the above makes me glad to be here. I had to call my GP and told him I’d seen a chiropractor for a pain in my wrist and a problem with a finger. Both the chiro and GP reckon I’ve been masking the problem and I’ve probably broken or chipped my scaphoid bone, and the finger is Depuytrens contracture causing a tendon issue and trigger finger.

He asked me (over the phone, no face to face diagnosis these covid days) to do some things to my wrist and asked if I was in pain - yes I was with what he told me to do. He got the local hospital ring me with an appointment for an X-ray which was done yesterday - 5 of them in total, and each one when I was positioned by the technician was causing me lots of pain. I’m due to get the results by the end of the week when he’s also scheduled me for a cortisone injection in my finger knuckle area. So, what would that have cost me so far in the US?

Nothing for me, I even got given a partly used parking ticket and saved a couple of quid in the hospital car park - yes we have to pay to go to hospital :(.
 
Yup , while medical care here is free , parking is not .... had a cortisone shot in my left hand ring finger over winter , the Doc that did it said to give it while to do it’s magic .... I did and after a few wks it working fine again ... I believe doc mentioned he was injecting the tendon was a bit of fooling around to get on target but he got it done ....
 
Think minimum wage here now is $12.50 , that is a guess .... there are rumours that a living wage will become law , I think the proponents are saying that would be $15 per ....
 
Parking is free here at hospitals...if on a motorbike.

GP - it is not the Lawyers that are the problem, it is the system that enables them that is. PICS, Lobbyists, tax laws... all designed to separate the small fry from their $$$. The system woks well for that.
 
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