Frustrated Beyond Measure

Does anyone know for sure how much the octane is lowered? Has there every been any testing by a reputable lab that does octane testing on a regular basis?
 
htown16 said:
Does anyone know for sure how much the octane is lowered? Has there every been any testing by a reputable lab that does octane testing on a regular basis?
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That’s what I’d like to know too. The alcohol is there to provide that, so I would have thought removing it lowered it a lot ?
 
I ran e10 in all my bikes for over 20 years with no ill effects. Did use Stabil if they were going to sit for a while. If for several months I drained the float bowls. Also stayup floats and ethanol resitant petcocks and lines. Costs about 150$ to replace the parts. But never have to worry about it.
 
htown16 said:
I ran e10 in all my bikes for over 20 years with no ill effects. Did use Stabil if they were going to sit for a while. If for several months I drained the float bowls. Also stayup floats and ethanol resitant petcocks and lines. Costs about 150$ to replace the parts. But never have to worry about it.
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There is the PRACTICAL, no drama, no speculative pontification answer.
 
SteveA said:
Do you know, this is the question I have had with this....what do I do with ethanol water mix?

That, and, what to do with the several litres of fuel, of any description, that you drain out of the tank when it has gone off?
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The stuff left in the bottle after I siphon off the fuel I put into an oil-change drain pan and leave outside to evaporate.

Bad fuel I run through lawnmowers and occasionally my car - the latter not ideal but I figure a few gallons out of a 16 gallon tank won't do much harm. And it hasn't seemed to do so, as far as I've seen.
 
SteveA said:
Do you know, this is the question I have had with this....what do I do with ethanol water mix?

That, and, what to do with the several litres of fuel, of any description, that you drain out of the tank when it has gone off?
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Here in Toronto you can drive it to a dangerous goods drop off facility operated by the city . Any day time .
In the spring we have Environment day , with city operated drop off sites that set up across the GTA to accept paints , aerosols , batteries , solvents , oils and similar items for proper disposal . The workers wear Hazmat suits and Police re-route local traffic.
 
BrianK said:
The stuff left in the bottle after I siphon off the fuel I put into an oil-change drain pan and leave outside to evaporate.

Bad fuel I run through lawnmowers and occasionally my car - the latter not ideal but I figure a few gallons out of a 16 gallon tank won't do much harm. And it hasn't seemed to do so, as far as I've seen.
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My cats and the local wildlife will be curious about that.......and I don't think much will evaporate around here for a few months!

Nor will I be using my lawnmower till next season! When we had a modern petrol car, I did run the odd half litre of dead fuel through it, but we don't have one right now.
 
SteveA said:
My cats and the local wildlife will be curious about that.......and I don't think much will evaporate around here for a few months!

Nor will I be using my lawnmower till next season! When we had a modern petrol car, I did run the odd half litre of dead fuel through it, but we don't have one right now.
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Ethylene Glycol ( anti-freeze ) was sweet and cats would lap it up after dripping out of vehicle radiators , then die . Nowadays a chemical is added to make it bitter , so they stay away . Another tidbit , natural gas has no smell . A few drops of a powerful smell chemical added lets you know there is a leak issue and run for the hills .
 
Torontonian said:
Ethylene Glycol ( anti-freeze ) was sweet and cats would lap it up after dripping out of vehicle radiators , then die . Nowadays a chemical is added to make it bitter , so they stay away . Another tidbit , natural gas has no smell . A few drops of a powerful smell chemical added lets you know there is a leak issue and run for the hills .
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That was the test for presence of anti freeze in an engine’s coolant: does it taste of sugar?
 
Yale University says it's OK to pour down the drain as long as the concentration is low.
Yale says keep it under 5 %, another uni says keep it under 24%.
If you drink alcohol of any type you are drinking ethanol. When you think of it that way, what a tremendous waste to put perfectly good corn liquor into gasoline! They must have been drunk when hatching that plan.

I wouldnt pour a bottle of Scotch on the ground as it's quite expensive, but if I get stupid and spill my drink it's not going to hurt Mother Earth.

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worntorn said:
Yale University says it's OK to pour down the drain as long as the concentration is low.
Yale says keep it under 5 %, another uni says keep it under 24%.
If you drink alcohol of any type you are drinking ethanol. When you think of it that way, what a tremendous waste to put perfectly good corn liquor into gasoline! They must have been drunk when hatching that plan.

I wouldnt pour a bottle of Scotch on the ground as it's quite expensive, but if I get stupid and spill my drink it's not going to hurt Mother Earth.

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Looks like Ethanol and Ethylene Glycol are safe to pour down the sanitary sewer . Here in Toronto it all ends up in a storm catchment overflow underground catch basin and then into one of several sewage processing facilities , then into Lake Ontario .
Our water intake to The amazing Harris ( Art Deco ) water filtration plant is a pipe 2 Kms. outwards and down deep .
 
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