Follower scar oil tests (2018)

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Howdy Jim, very cool what you finding out! I ordered 4 gallons of the Bel-Ray EXP for my Jap bikes winter oil changes.
Do you know if it is safe to use MOA on bikes with a wet clutch or will it be too slick?
Feel that the EXP would be compatible for my KTM over recommended Motorex 4T?
Already order MOA for my cars and will add to my Jap bikes if it is compatible.

Hope I don’t get stones thrown at me for asking about other bike brands on our Norton forum.
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I have used MOA with wet clutches without a problem. It is more of a load booster than a low friction additive.

The KTM is likely to do better with a low friction oil. It does not need the high load capacity that a pushrod motor needs. However the gearbox would probably see some benefit from the MOA.

The Motorex is excellent or the MPT motorcycle oils would do at least as well. I would not use the EXP in the KTM.
 
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MPT_Thirty_K_20W50_API-SM_Synthetic
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

158 Lbs Load
1.274 total heat from friction
0 heat from viscous friction
1.96 heat from high pressure shear
Not safe for wet clutches
A very high quality oil that has enough load capacity for a stock Norton motor and very low heat from friction
 
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The Red Line Racing oil tested very well with BG-MOA
I do not know if the Base Number will be high enough to make it good for the street, but I will be sending the combination in for testing.

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Red_Line_SAE_60_Racing_Oil_with_BG-MOA
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

Graph truncated due to length of test
444 lbs load
.01 heat from viscous friction
.196 heat from high pressure shear
No cooling needed even at maximum load
Not safe for wet clutch
High load capacity and very low friction make this a superb oil for a Norton

I do not know if the BG additive will make it suitable for extended use on the street but, I will find out.


Then we get to the other end of the scale
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Quaker_State_Advanced_Durability_20W50
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

96 lbs load
It began to damage the follower at around 2 minutes into the test
Tested twice with similar results
No other data.

Not suitable for Nortons
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Quaker_State_Advanced_Durability_with_BG-MOA_8%
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

132 lbs load
329 degree follower temp
0 heat from viscous friction
No data for heat from high pressure shear

Not suitable for Nortons
 
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Morris_Oils_20W50_V-Twin_conventional_with-BG-MOA
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

164 lbs Load
5.66 total heat from friction
4.739 heat from viscous friction
3.97 heat from high pressure shear

The BG additive reduced the heat from friction a little but the load capacity also went down.

Due to high heat and low load, I would not use this in a Norton
 
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comnoz said:
The Red Line Racing oil tested very well with BG-MOA
I do not know if the Base Number will be high enough to make it good for the street, but I will be sending the combination in for testing.

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Red_Line_SAE_60_Racing_Oil_with_BG-MOA
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Jim
Which BG MOA did you add, pn110 or pn115(extended life)?
Cheers
Rob
 
Rob, Jim is using the 115 on these tests, he mentions earlier that the 110 degraded quickly in Norton’s when he used it in the past, but the 115 fairs much better. It really does look like good stuff.
 
Jim, yet more myth busting! Morris mineral oil has legions of fans in the old bike world here !

That Redline racing oil + MOA combination looks very impressive...

When will be testing the Bel Ray v twin Ester Jim, that was the leader before MOA entered the equation?
 
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Jim, yet more myth busting! Morris mineral oil has legions of fans in the old bike world here !

That Redline racing oil + MOA combination looks very impressive...

When will be testing the Bel Ray v twin Ester Jim, that was the leader before MOA entered the equation?
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I have done the test but I have not posted it.

The V-twin synthetic with MOA was not a good combination. The heat went way up and the load capacity dropped.

The Morris oil was acceptable for a Norton in moderate climates without the BG additive.
The additive made it worse.
 
So far I have 5 oils that I really like what I see for use in my bike.
They are:

Klotz 25W60 -really tough but it would be better if the heat was a little lower. I have yet to test it with MOA, I saw more foam than I like when using it with FR3 on my last trip.

MPT 10W60 with BG-MOA - great oil with high BN -but 2 day factory order only.

The 2 above are hard to get when I am on the road.

So the 3 presently on the short list for me are:

Bel Ray v-twin synthetic 10W50 -not stocked by many shops, but normally available overnight

Redline 60 racing [it's actually 20W60] with MOA -if it passes the BN test with the additive -not available everywhere, but easy to get overnight.
The more than adequate load capacity with the extremely low heat make it the best performer so far.

Mobil 1 V-twin with MOA -due to price and availability where I ride, this is looking better all the time.

But I still have more oils to test.

My final decision may come down to doing some day long wear tests at a set load.
 
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When you add an additive to the oil, how do you know it is distributed throughout the entire amount of oil? I can see how a small amount
in your test pot would mix up well enough but how about a full load of oil in the bike?
 
Onder said:
When you add an additive to the oil, how do you know it is distributed throughout the entire amount of oil? I can see how a small amount
in your test pot would mix up well enough but how about a full load of oil in the bike?
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I would be concerned about this if it were an additive that contains solids.
MOA does not contain solids and is in a thin oil base so it would mix thoroughly with the oil.
 
Just discovered my ride on AWD mower uses synthetic 10w50 engine oil in the transmission....

Looks like definitely the Bel Ray for me! o_O
 
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Amsoil_Dominator_Racing_Oil_5W50
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

309 lbs load\
1.46 total heat from friction
.035 heat from viscous friction
2.21 heat from high pressure shear
Not safe for wet clutch
Good oil for a Norton with short change intervals due to low detergents.
 
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Bel_Ray_10W50_V-twin_Synthetic_with_BG_MOA_8.5%
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

450 lbs load
3.68 total heat from friction
2.436 heat from viscous friction
3.22 heat from high pressure shear

The BG additive raised the heat from friction and lowered the load capacity. Not a good combination.
 
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