Dangerous opinon vs tested facts quik as can be
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hobot said:I am not misleading anyone and risked my life finding out the reality to help others avoid what I ran into time and time again. I flat stat anyone who thinks merely aligning a C'do matters much has not really tested this merely easy assembly feature *alone* WITHOUT also new tires, new AMC guts and swing arm stability. It is only the slackness of parts building up positive feedback spring backs that limits C'do handling not major parts and tires perfectly in line, AS THEY simply can not stay in line with the innate weak construction of light frame and rubber mounting.
So I ask as serious as a stroke or heart attack - *Have you or anyone ever tested a perfectly straight indexed true easy assembled iso C'do w/o *ALSO* essentially new tires, new AMC guts and swing arm spindle stabilized? I have and its terrorizing dangerous to come to my firm conclusions. I am not speculating on this and can not offend me calling me names or saying i am stupid fool - as I know who is just speculating w/o proof - so the harsh facts will not be on me exploring the real limits in C'do's or best moderns, i now hold both sorts in disgust of how close they are to out of control for such little extra thrills.
Peel has completely solved all handling issues but for air flow eddies and fuel slosh no one mentions but the GP level bikers drafting and leaning, so feel sorry and scared for those who don't know what they are missing out on or how close to out of control they are getting pressing un-tamed C'do. The solution lies in stifling loose slack and spring backs with a compliant set up that has eluded the elites which found out if they make ends compliant they can't control the forces or too weak it breaks. When Ya work up to speeds-angles the air flow speed and ground effects compression equals or exceeds frame-suspension-traction loads tires can take, get back to pow wow at hobot thrills handling level.
How many of you spending and building a decade to have a shoot out with the most elite riders and cycles a big magazine can muster against a crooked ole isolastic rubber baby buggy? So yes everyone else is mis guided on what really matters in life and death handling matters so only thing can brag about is mere tiny incremental improvements by following the masses over the edge...
So,,,what the the question again??
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you ask what exactly was the point/question of Hobot's rant?
it appears to be a question:
and the answer, I am guessing, is nobody
I have to believe that absolutely no one among us is "spending and building for a decade to have a shootout with the most elite riders"
it appears to be a question:
and the answer, I am guessing, is nobody
I have to believe that absolutely no one among us is "spending and building for a decade to have a shootout with the most elite riders"
lomaxcm said:
Only in our Walter Mitty minds. This happened to me yesterday as I drifted off to sleep in the big blue recliner-
" Exiting the corner I pinned the Commando wide open and glanced in the mirror to see Dani Pedrosa still leaned way over but close behind. Of course with that extreme style he uses, his shoulder was dragging on the ashpalt, but even with his incredible talent and a 250 hp GP bike he could not catch the smoothly ridden 50 hp Commando. "
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you old men can stick with the ordinary but I've been struck by tri-linked road lightening orgasms so want to find pecking order and having an easy to assemble cycle is rather low on priority to do so. Sorry to bother listee's on my Cdo G joys, who can't seem to see its not me I'm pointing at - its the tammed isolastic wonders that can turn a willing novice into squid hunter. It sure took me by total surprise too so wouldn't of believed me either.
Time Warp
.......back to the 70's.
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Diablouph said:
As in grown men going at each other with handbags like old woman as they were in the thread hijack that got put on hold.
A prime example of what happens when things are over analyzed to the point you can not see the wood for the tree's.
Hobot you might want to check your 'iso's before going GSXR1000 hunting. :lol:
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Hehehe now ya talking as them liter bikers sure showed me a thing or two about trying to catch up before some new leaning zoomed in again hehehe. The real impetus to forget a blown 45 cid for 56 cid was introduction of Ducie's 1098 as even unblown Combat was enough to take on the upper 900 Monsters with a rare pilot willing to pull away from their squad to try to see what had turned onto the hwy a bit ahead of them but didn't get reeled in. That was one of Peels last flings after about 3 seasons in her prime - that took out 3rd gear teeth when I waited behind a car for em and they flat freaked out on what they saw and shoot out of there but I reeled em in watching em drag knee this way and that while I was fighting like crap not to wobble off the road, BECUASE I'd had to cross dozens and dozen of yd of quick sand like mud, water flow up from below so literally had to ski across and try not to cross up or sink or spin out, so rear air was 18 lb and fron 14 lb so that made Peel a half a handful compared on pavement to keep on the Monsters tail. We parked some minutes ahead of the squadron and pilot took off helmet to spill out lovely gals long hair. She was in a pissy mood about her superior weapon dullness by then so I just went into my clinic to pee off coffee and when I came out could not see Ms Peel, nothing by backsides squatting pointing bickering and looking in around under and through arguing on where or where I'd hidden the turbocharger!!!!!! Owners turned out to be medical and dental Dr. and such but were fooled by the vac/boost gauge installed. The gal was the main one with track time. I've refrained mentioning much about Peel PoWer but good enough to rip gear teeth off 3rd on throttle snap going ~55. I keep telling ya ya don't know what ya missing out on. I'd forgot which gear I was in behind car and meant to snick 2nd to get going. I aired up and took off with her behind again but did get out horse powered after 90+ in the straights with loose gear teeth finally got shift stuck in 4th so limped home grinning to hi heaven swearing I'll have Mo Pow Next Time. Put that in your pipes to smoke, Peel could dice it with corner cripples on haft flat tires. Best I worked up to was 58 rear/56 front.
OHH yeah, when I told them blower was not installed yet they actually recoiled and stumbled back in shock. That recoil reaction to Peel was routine to me by then but always pleasing to see sneers involuntarily go so slack...
OHH yeah, when I told them blower was not installed yet they actually recoiled and stumbled back in shock. That recoil reaction to Peel was routine to me by then but always pleasing to see sneers involuntarily go so slack...
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Yeah man a hot rod Cdo has right now front floating tire folding acceleration! But does run out of hp to keep the pull going as long as most moderns now, though a race power level C'do can pull well over 130, which as i found out is about as fast as most are willing to pull to in public even if cycle able to do more, in a bee line of course. My great joy/surprise was out here there just ain't that much bee lines to give them much hp top end advantage, mostly a torque/mass/tire power planting/ brake/handling security contests.
Two occasions impressed above on me w/o me being involved. One was a Beautiful Yellow '70's 750 Ducati arriving first with an almost new 2003 GXSR 600 some short time later. The Suzuki rider had RH side fairing all messed up and his first comment on removing helmet was, How Can the old thing go around turns so Fast on skinny tires???
Another time I walked up to a hand full of smallish engine Supermotards asking them how they worked out here, when a few minutes later a handfull of GXSR's, R6-R1's, Monster's etc pulled in to re join their under powered slow dirt bike buddies, without any swagger of riding Superior Craft hehehe. Of course on airport runs and turnpikes would be other way around.
To me getting hi G's in turns is way more fun than bee line run ups [fun as that is too] and nothing I've tasted tested holds a candle to stabilized but still flexy compliant C'do and so smooth only the tire patch grip sense gets through. I see the amazing zooming IOM and other elite video shows and makes my groin tighten knowing how close they are to death but when I reflect on Ms Peel that's what she could do too even to point to fling another way normally was too dam slow to change direction in time w/o flying over bluff rail or into rock bluff faces, so switched to off road Gravel style, [where front traction has nil effect] I'd over power tire to trip her down in a low side that'd next instant jerk up a saving hi side. No sliding involved as that cuts acceleration and control contact.
To pull off racer riding one must always keep the pressure on loaded suspension
or as soon as forces relax all hell can break loose, so touchy to put down hi loads and not break too free. This is what can cause C'do's to wobble in turns, if can't stay on hi throttle and turn pressure, slack can develop to build up to fish flop off the deck. Same with moderns too but at higher speeds and faster frequency its luck of the draw not to crash, as seen plenty of time in video some get through it others don't. I could never induce this slackness wobble build up in Peel try as I might as every other bike did so why not her???!!! Moderns are all lined up and build tight as a drum skin, but its not enough to solve their issues to go around harsher.
Two occasions impressed above on me w/o me being involved. One was a Beautiful Yellow '70's 750 Ducati arriving first with an almost new 2003 GXSR 600 some short time later. The Suzuki rider had RH side fairing all messed up and his first comment on removing helmet was, How Can the old thing go around turns so Fast on skinny tires???
Another time I walked up to a hand full of smallish engine Supermotards asking them how they worked out here, when a few minutes later a handfull of GXSR's, R6-R1's, Monster's etc pulled in to re join their under powered slow dirt bike buddies, without any swagger of riding Superior Craft hehehe. Of course on airport runs and turnpikes would be other way around.
To me getting hi G's in turns is way more fun than bee line run ups [fun as that is too] and nothing I've tasted tested holds a candle to stabilized but still flexy compliant C'do and so smooth only the tire patch grip sense gets through. I see the amazing zooming IOM and other elite video shows and makes my groin tighten knowing how close they are to death but when I reflect on Ms Peel that's what she could do too even to point to fling another way normally was too dam slow to change direction in time w/o flying over bluff rail or into rock bluff faces, so switched to off road Gravel style, [where front traction has nil effect] I'd over power tire to trip her down in a low side that'd next instant jerk up a saving hi side. No sliding involved as that cuts acceleration and control contact.
To pull off racer riding one must always keep the pressure on loaded suspension
or as soon as forces relax all hell can break loose, so touchy to put down hi loads and not break too free. This is what can cause C'do's to wobble in turns, if can't stay on hi throttle and turn pressure, slack can develop to build up to fish flop off the deck. Same with moderns too but at higher speeds and faster frequency its luck of the draw not to crash, as seen plenty of time in video some get through it others don't. I could never induce this slackness wobble build up in Peel try as I might as every other bike did so why not her???!!! Moderns are all lined up and build tight as a drum skin, but its not enough to solve their issues to go around harsher.
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