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EPA proposes reducing biofuel mandate
November 15, 2013 3:16 PM EST

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration on Friday proposed to reduce the amount of ethanol in the nation's fuel supply for the first time, acknowledging that the biofuel law championed by both parties in 2007 is not working as well as expected.

While the proposal highlights the government's struggle to ramp up production of homegrown biofuels that are cleaner-burning than gasoline, but is unlikely to mean much for consumers at the pump.

The change would require almost 3 billion gallons less ethanol and other biofuels to be blended into gasoline in 2014 than the law requires.

The 2007 law tried to address global warming by requiring oil companies to blend billions of gallons of biofuels into their gasoline each year. But politicians who wrote the law didn't anticipate fuel economy to improve as much as it has in recent years, which reduced demand for gasoline.

Meanwhile, next-generation biofuels, made from agricultural waste such as wood chips and corncobs, have not taken off as quickly as Congress required and the administration expected.

President Barack Obama has championed biofuels since his days as an Illinois senator, and his administration has resisted previous calls to lower biofuel volumes or repeal the law.

EPA officials said they were still committed to alternative fuels as part of a comprehensive energy strategy. If the EPA stuck to the volumes mandated by law, the amount of biofuel required would generate more ethanol than many engines can safely handle, officials said.

"Biofuels are a key part of the Obama administration's 'all of the above' energy strategy, helping to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, cut carbon pollution and create jobs," said EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy.

Biofuel supporters, however, said the proposal marked a departure for the Obama administration.

"This is the first time that the Obama administration has shown any sign of wavering," said Brooke Coleman, executive director of the Advanced Ethanol Council.

Bob Dinneen, the head of the Renewable Fuels Association, the Washington group that lobbies on behalf of the ethanol industry, said the proposal "cannot stand."

"An administration committed to addressing climate change cannot turn its back on biofuels," Dinneen said.

The ethanol mandate created an unusual alliance between oil companies, which have seen ethanol cut into their share of the gasoline market, and environmental groups that oppose planting more corn for fuel. A recent AP investigation found that corn-based ethanol's effect on the environment is far worse than the government predicted or admits.

The oil industry lobbied hard for a reduction.
 
Good news, the midwest and the Guld of Mexico are turning into ecological disaster areas from this nonsense.
 
Quick, buy up all the glass tanks, they will be valuable again! :-)
 
htown16 said:
Good news, the midwest and the Guld of Mexico are turning into ecological disaster areas from this nonsense.
The gulf took a brutal hit from the BP disaster so I'm afraid the ecology is in a lose/lose situation either way.

For the sake of out gas tanks, carbs and related pieces it's great news regardless.
 
Never forget all of this came out of the Arab oil embargo back-when ,then quickly o.p.e.c. formed to glorify greed ,then America brought in ethanol-corn institutionalized and subsidized to farmers production to alleviate the CRISIS. I'm going electric soon. :roll:
 
thanks for posting!

Can we dare to dream?

It would be ironic if they finally remove all legislation just as the last 'glass tank has burst it's final blister!

After doing some online research I found out that here in the UK not all fuels have ethanol, but getting the facts has been difficult - and still is.

It seems that BP 'ultimate' Super unleaded has no ethanol, but this may not be true for the SW of the country?

Murco fuels don't have ethanol, but they don't like to advertise the fact.
Their nationwide coverage is a bit patchy, but there's a garage 10 miles away which is good enough for me.
 
In OZ there is a 10% limit on ethanol in fuel.

They say this is about the best mix. A small amount of ethanol can be helpful. More than 10% introduces problems, they claim.

I wont use ethanol blends, full stop.
 
Nortiboy said:
In OZ there is a 10% limit on ethanol in fuel.

They say this is about the best mix. A small amount of ethanol can be helpful. More than 10% introduces problems, they claim.

I wont use ethanol blends, full stop.

US is supposed to be 10% max unless listed as E85, however whaty you actually get is sometimes questionable. I've read of tests where it's come in as high as 20% or regular 87 octane gas. Being the cynical type ,I can't help but think the only reason our govt. would call for less of something that does more harm than good is that somebody stopped paying somebody off.
 
US is supposed to be 10% max unless listed as E85, however whaty you actually get is sometimes questionable. I've read of tests where it's come in as high as 20% or regular 87 octane gas. Being the cynical type ,I can't help but think the only reason our govt. would call for less of something that does more harm than good is that somebody stopped paying somebody off.[/quote]

US is supposed to have a maximum10% -on average. In the tests I have done I have seen anywhere from 0% to 20% from the same pump at the same station -just different times.
Maintaining a consistent 5 or 10% seems to be pretty tough.
It's all politics and politics is all money. Jim
 
I don't think Monsanto (genetically modified corn seed monopoly) will let this happen....but we can hope reason and not greed prevails.

Maybe this has something to do with the change: (from WSJ Nov 16, 2013)

China is forecast to import 7 million metric tons of corn and 69 million tons of soybeans in the marketing year that started on Oct. 1, both records, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Most of that is used to fatten animals consumed by China's burgeoning middle class, which ate 13.5 million tons of chicken and 52.7 million tons of pork, also records, USDA data show. China will import 775,000 tons of pork in 2014, again the most ever.
 
Don't get me fired up on the (Evil) Monsanto corp. :cry: China's new middle class building a new city every week ,money now to travel (tourism explosion) and need for wines and beef ,silly Americans fascilitating the National debt for them. One child policy over-ride with cash bribes. Just heard they purchased Africa. Correct me if wrong (as always). Do they use ethanol in China or only the dirty coal tolerated in the desperate push to have consumer lifestyle supreme ? :o
 
Torontonian said:
Don't get me fired up on the (Evil) Monsanto corp. :cry: China's new middle class building a new city every week ,money now to travel (tourism explosion) and need for wines and beef ,silly Americans fascilitating the National debt for them. One child policy over-ride with cash bribes. Just heard they purchased Africa. Correct me if wrong (as always). Do they use ethanol in China or only the dirty coal tolerated in the desperate push to have consumer lifestyle supreme ? :o

You nailed it, Torontonian. I could write more, but I think we should keep politics off this forum.
 
Filled up today with Shell Ultra. Test drove the new electric car (LEAF). From Toronto so politics now totally on T.V. and radio :D :| . Crack me up. :lol: Working on S model rewirings.
 
The corn crazy is fueled by the Coal-tar-petroliem cartels windfall with the Global Warming scare as perfect excuse for Congress to get some sweet deals while profiting off the masses that pay for the lost soil conditons, extra pollution to produce/process/dilute and deliver and tax. 10% solution is fine to burn but not to store and gives 2-3+ less mpg on freeway than no spiked gas. The Gov't makes more on tax and regulations than the profits of combed petroleum companies. Monsanto was a sort of American step sister split off of I. G. Farben, where all prison camps were on factory grounds in WWII. When a major change in support of area drops out of favor its because its done it subsidiarity upraise and its social engineering goals has been reached and likely continue so next program cycle begins with the $pecial interest lobby spreading wealth and entertainments to backmail on later for a vote against the folks at large.

I.G. Farben origin of Gestapo
https://www.google.com/search?q=Tavisto ... 3Aofficial

I.G. Faben & Monsanto, or Dupont or Bayer etc etc
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Shell shock to social engineering
http://tavistockagenda.iwarp.com/
 
Remember that guys who make a lot of money usually do this because that is what they went after.
Those like us who spend it on Nortons are seen as nuts by those that would simply invest new dough
to make more dough.
There is no promise that investment will succeed. It is a risk. Spending on Nortons is pretty much
a lock on breaking even if you are lucky.
Owning more than one bike is greedy. :-)
All relative really.
 
comnoz said:
US is supposed to be 10% max unless listed as E85, however whaty you actually get is sometimes questionable. I've read of tests where it's come in as high as 20% or regular 87 octane gas. Being the cynical type ,I can't help but think the only reason our govt. would call for less of something that does more harm than good is that somebody stopped paying somebody off.

US is supposed to have a maximum10% -on average. In the tests I have done I have seen anywhere from 0% to 20% from the same pump at the same station -just different times.
Maintaining a consistent 5 or 10% seems to be pretty tough.
It's all politics and politics is all money. Jim[/quote]

How do you do your tests Jim? I was told of a very simple way to check it but can't recall what it is. I'd like to see what my local Mobil has been selling me.
 
US supposedly produced more oil than imported this past year. Maybe now we can drink more corn instead of burning it.
 
There was a editorial in the WaPo this morning about ethanol and the scaling back of it by the EPA. Hopefully they'll just get rid of the crap and make corn cheaper for the poor in Mexico at the same time.

You can test for ethanol simply by adding water, shake and measure how much separates out. I'm sure a google on ethanol test will produce results, I've seen it on line.

Dave
69S
 
Adding water to boozed gas will not reveal the proof level, only how much extra water the fuel can't dissolve, Adding water to spiked gasoline is how one removes the alcohol by the separation to decant or pour off.

The GMO corn we have run into for animal feed will not be touched by our chickens or ducks, which eat like any and everything else, nor will the birds, squirals, deer or insects touch it, so am using the poisonous oily corn as kindling to help start fireplace.

GMO is deadly to people and farm animals and eating it can transfer the poisonous genes to gut flora which then produce poison w/o any more GMO crops eaten. Up to 80-90% of animals being raised like pets, pigs, chickens etc get sick, die and sterile, not to mention bee's and other helpful critters.

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