Advantages of longer rods in Nortons

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Steve, Nigel Hall Smiths bike is a Weslake top end on T140 cases. Over the years he has run Morgo rods? longer? or just stronger?, Nourish pistons, then Triumph Daytona (Hinkley) pistons, then made his own" short" pistons. Seems everyone is doing it :D
Encouraging to know that the best Norton Commando in the field was Al with his Rickman & my stock, well 20 thou over. 850 engine & 4 speed box. Still using the standard mastercylinder. This season he has skimmed the head 30 thou & fitted a "better cam" than the standard cam it had last season. Good package good rider. Hope for us all. Only so much you can get out of a Commando engine surely. :D
Its only money! I seem to be able to blow up the good stuff should have just brought a standard engine. Then again if I had the money I would cast a new down draft head add fins, shorten the barrel, fit titanium rods & then still get beaten by Al :D

Gary won by a mile cant think why Dave brought him a Rob North to play with.

Chris

And you would get thrown out for ineligble parts!

But if we carry on this way Rickmans may outnumber Seeleys!

Funny, I have looked at Nigels bike a couple of times and I didn't notice the 4 valve top end! Maybe I missed it through the grime ;-)

Does seem to go pretty well though.....and Nigel is perhaps rejuvenated after the rest last year whilst recovering from his off at Pembrey....
 
SteveA said:
Chris said:
Hi

Steve, Nigel Hall Smiths bike is a Weslake top end on T140 cases. Over the years he has run Morgo rods? longer? or just stronger?, Nourish pistons, then Triumph Daytona (Hinkley) pistons, then made his own" short" pistons. Seems everyone is doing it :D
Encouraging to know that the best Norton Commando in the field was Al with his Rickman & my stock, well 20 thou over. 850 engine & 4 speed box. Still using the standard mastercylinder. This season he has skimmed the head 30 thou & fitted a "better cam" than the standard cam it had last season. Good package good rider. Hope for us all. Only so much you can get out of a Commando engine surely. :D
Its only money! I seem to be able to blow up the good stuff should have just brought a standard engine. Then again if I had the money I would cast a new down draft head add fins, shorten the barrel, fit titanium rods & then still get beaten by Al :D

Gary won by a mile cant think why Dave brought him a Rob North to play with.

Chris

And you would get thrown out for ineligble parts!

But if we carry on this way Rickmans may outnumber Seeleys!

Funny, I have looked at Nigels bike a couple of times and I didn't notice the 4 valve top end! Maybe I missed it through the grime ;-)

Does seem to go pretty well though.....and Nigel is perhaps rejuvenated after the rest last year whilst recovering from his off at Pembrey....

I'm so pleased to hear that Nigel HS is still out there winning! He's such a nice bloke, and a very skilful engineer, and a good rider to boot. Bloody good luck to him!
 
'And you would get thrown out for ineligble parts!

But if we carry on this way Rickmans may outnumber Seeleys!'

With 4 valve top end, the bike would be slightly more difficult to beat in a straight line. (Who really cares ?) As far as Rickman frames are concerned, I love my Seeley 850, and I would be really stoked if I could get it onto a race grid full of Rickman Commandos, or even air cooled Ducati 900 and 851 twins. If Rickman frames get more guys racing Commando and Triumph engined bikes, we should set up and mass produce them.
There is a lot of psychology in road racing and being phobic about being beaten by other bikes that look better can help you lose races. In the old days, I was never worried about what the other guys had, it was more about who they were. There were only ever one or two who I was always certain were going to beat me, if they were on the start line beside me. One of them was Bill Horsman from South Australia. He borrowed an Aermacchi 350 a few years ago and won the IOM classic TT, at first attempt. You could put him on a penny-farthing and he would beat you.
 
Love your tales and insights Alan. The outlaw racing I did always started out by either coming upon a squad I'd work my way through till the excitable one out in front would take up the game leaving the rest way out of sight, or I'd yell around a big group parked to rest for the hot shots up for Ozark pecking order fun. Sometimes 2 or 3 would start out but didn't take a hand full of turns till mono a mono completely dependent on the cycle capabilities and pilot wits to always be in control. The only thing I care about improving on Peel [crashes too] is hp to wt for the front lifting drags out of turns and then power band climbing so floating front couple inches level into long straights. If ya got the best rear power planting leaning cycle around that don't need much fork support then what's left but Mo Ka POWER! The kind of power/wt response I want should never allow WOT hook up but in certain instants of conditions below the ton and the best driest crystalline edged pavement on race rubbers feel like moist Sand & Gravel play- my favorite surface of all > as always over powered for conditions.

Best respected world wide Nortoneers report to expect power peak around 7250 for 89mm strokes up to 920cc bores like Maney who tries to limit @ 7200. Yet Tom Davenport told me about his P11 and others down desert straights against developed inline 4 hanging on too 8000 to get past them and did. TC's stock lightened crank 850's had shift point set a 8000 but screw ups or tire break free's would shoot over 8500, via face/face with TC in '04 at Ohio rally. With a dragster like power band ya can snap throttle to just exactly only so much to essentially instantly set rear spin to pretty damn exact excess of rpm slippage-drag desired, to do all sorts of things with > for about an instant more > til whiplash hook up ahead >ya just keep on easing power up so not to loose much of the Glee force by going beyond the howling sonic tire patch heating zone. I have found my life time tool of choice and its a freaking isolastic Commando of all things with clunker engine so will need all the long rod help getting past them flashy insect looking inline 4's in time for some real road orgasms solo sex acts.
 
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Love your tales and insights Alan. The outlaw racing I did always started out by either coming upon a squad I'd work my way through till the excitable one out in front would take up the game leaving the rest way out of sight, or I'd yell around a big group parked to rest for the hot shots up for Ozark pecking order fun. Sometimes 2 or 3 would start out but didn't take a hand full of turns till mono a mono completely dependent on the cycle capabilities and pilot wits to always be in control. The only thing I care about improving on Peel [crashes too] is hp to wt for the front lifting drags out of turns and then power band climbing so floating front couple inches level into long straights. If ya got the best rear power planting leaning cycle around that don't need much fork support then what's left but Mo Ka POWER! The kind of power/wt response I want should never allow WOT hook up but in certain instants of conditions below the ton and the best driest crystalline edged pavement on race rubbers feel like moist Sand & Gravel play- my favorite surface of all > as always over powered for conditions.

Best respected world wide Nortoneers report to expect power peak around 7250 for 89mm strokes up to 920cc bores like Maney who tries to limit @ 7200. Yet Tom Davenport told me about his P11 and others down desert straights against developed inline 4 hanging on too 8000 to get past them and did. TC's stock lightened crank 850's had shift point set a 8000 but screw ups or tire break free's would shoot over 8500, via face/face with TC in '04 at Ohio rally. With a dragster like power band ya can snap throttle to just exactly only so much to essentially instantly set rear spin to pretty damn exact excess of rpm slippage-drag desired, to do all sorts of things with > for about an instant more > til whiplash hook up ahead >ya just keep on easing power up so not to loose much of the Glee force by going beyond the howling sonic tire patch heating zone. I have found my life time tool of choice and its a freaking isolastic Commando of all things with clunker engine so will need all the long rod help getting past them flashy insect looking inline 4's in time for some real road orgasms solo sex acts.

A hobot classic.

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Oh well rider Pete-V all's I can say is ya don't know what ya missing out on though what ya already experienced may be enough for you it ain't for me. You'all act like I started out to be a egotistic stunt rider instead of being thrown into its terror unknowingly and involuntarily in public with nothing to loose trying to recover - to point I got so scared and pissed at crashing I decided to try crashing it ahead of time to spend the rest of the time easing up on tire regrip control through the increasing loads of apexes. With power/wt to have digital traction response its more effective to over power rear while in best grip for extra speed before apexes crash recovery point, which point of least traction gives me highest spikes of traction reaction acceleration. Picture a dragster spinning tire to best slippage grip about lifting front out of effect while straight up and what happens if cycle tipped on purpose on howling rear patch. If rpms run out while doing this before time to re-grip or shift all hell breaks loose so I tend to run into red zone w/o much tire traction to worry about torque falling off after 7200-ish - I just worry about avoiding getting full traction till right instant to brace and breath force blood for the sudden hook up in nick of time. I find it depressing to share my joys how good it can get to get reaction I'm making it up. Oh well my 2nd motto after "throwing yourself to ground and missing it" - is - "Ya just don't know what ya missing out on" ... while cheating death and destruction for fun.
 
'"Ya just don't know what ya missing out on" ... while cheating death and destruction for fun.'

I was talking to a guy the other day about my cholesterol problem. I believe it is the result of the effect of adrenalin on my liver creating cholesterol. I've never had a fatty diet, however I have been extremely stressed during my working life and previous relationship. The guy I was talking to mentioned fear as being a cause and I sort of wonder about that. I don't believe there are many things I'm afraid of, however the 'fight and flight' syndrome obviously has an effect. If you don't burn off the cholesterol it ends up gumming up the works. Since I've had the double by-pass op and carotid artery clearance to stop the strokes, I've been taking a beta-blocker to stop the adrenalin rush. The effect is magic - if you have a moment on the bike, there is no grip around the heart and you simply ride around the problem in the cold light of day. I've found that now that I've got the bike tightening it's line, it is actually helping me and it creates confidence - combined with the beta-blocker, it is excellent. You can simply concentrate on improving your riding and tuning, without any stress.
 
i guess its settled longer rods distinctly benefit Commando engines especially boosted so Alan touches on a vital nerve issue my whole career based on being a last resort Dr. Alan, having your successful 850 methanol power band and over steering handling security to reflect on goes a long way to keep ya interested and sane.

Studies done since 1914 on show impingement of neck/brain stem is primary cause of atherosclerosis and cervical posture/curve or lack of is best predictor by far for deadly heart and brain stroke. Most of us had early and on going neck injurys, some w/o realizing it breaking an arm or leg or collar bone to focus on just then, but like car knocked out of line besides tires going more often eventually the ball joints do to. Life has mechanical, chemical, emotional stresses but stress means emphasis so not all stress is bad but rather vital to survival. As neck segments decay and impinge on vascular supply to brain stem it becomes more easy to inflame and radiate over reactions in the tissues and organs it controls. Oriental, ancient European and recent alternative health systems know that each flavor of emotion stresses a particular organ most and just like a heart attack can refer pain into L arm so can other organs in other places. Liver/gall bladder associated with anger, resentment, jealousy, bitterness, so mental symptoms of a diseased liver or someone having those emotions aimed at them. Heart associated with joy to build up or lost of love un-returned to injury it. Organ metabolism gets chronically stuck in stress reaction till adrenals, to pituitary get weak, know as Han's Selye Stress Response.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Selye
Throw in bad food/chemical exposure and it magnifies effect of neurotransmitters on immune/inflammatory stress reaction and body must make extra cholesterol to protect itself from even worse free radical oxidation damage. As stress levels go down so does blood lipid profile back to normal. Some times in stress reactions one craves certain foods/drink/drugs one is allergic too but with delayed reaction that gets worse w/o them as then go through a withdrawal hang over phase only think helps temporarily is another fix.

You can not hold a thought in head or feeling in chest w/o it affecting jaw/neck tension so sad/anxious states just put more mechanical strain in upper neck choking down brain flow which makes brain inflame and excrete un-controlled thoughts-emotions, kind of like a muscle cramp from restricted blood flow. Some times DC find emotional source to body pains, rape or family death are common ones. When enough pain-shock hits us our higher reasoning brain parts shut down and let everything in un-flitered so next time the music on radio or sound of a voice or temperature or season of year etc, the body reacts as if happening again and withholds energy for rest of life to be prepped for what it took to endure 1st time. Hurt to the Quick, Skeletons in the Closet, Tired to the Bone stuff. There are a number of ways to disconnect the biological reflex is PTSD cases so its more just a memory than a heart gripper.

More than any thing else hi stress of mechanical, chemical or psychological the most vital stuff is the minerals especially the ones needed in macro amounts unless of course you eat like cave men hunter gathers enjoying bugs and larvy and roots and tubers and berries and grass and fish fins and cracking bones ya knawed the grisle off to suck out the marrow, better find a good multi-mineral or may find can't relax or repair joints and strinks and bone reserves used up keeping alive, till too low they don't suddenly. To regrow neck needs comfy traction and stretches done some weeks months and seasons to become a believer. Can pm a DIY protocol to follow up on.

One wild thing I've noticed in me and patients reports is once neck/brain stem pretty recovered they tend to be in the right place at right time for right experience, which sounds like magic, yet damn it that's the way I like life feel like and pretty much 24/7 does now. I'm 62 and proven I can take serious crashes and recover better than prior so still not old enough to know better to be building up a connecting rod testing over powered lightened lifted Commando to snatch down by reverse control power steering so no slip sliding delays involved and instant power cuts more important than power ups.
 
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