Lol. You’re right I forgot again lol.And Aprilia (you always forget to mention Aprilia ), with the Tuono V4 1100 Factory considered the best super naked bike by many. And the RSVP very competitive in pure sport bikes
Lol. You’re right I forgot again lol.And Aprilia (you always forget to mention Aprilia ), with the Tuono V4 1100 Factory considered the best super naked bike by many. And the RSVP very competitive in pure sport bikes
I might have this wrong, but I don't see that the V4CR/SV adds anything to the brand's value. I think the V4 is more dead than the 961.For me, this is the case.
I feel they TVS is already behind the game. Their V4CR and V4SV are already missing the performance mark.
The weight
The power
The timing and availability are already off.
The ship has sailed and their luggage missed the boat.
Ducati, KTM, BMW, MV Agusta, and the Japanese already have the market covered. I’m aware that the Norton is a boutique model, but by the time it’s available, if it ever is available it’ll be dated.
Spot on. Surely they must lean on their heritage as well. That’s where the 961, if it had been fully developed could have been an absolute winner - if possible with a lower price tag. Norton heritage, looks, low tech but capable. A traditionally configured, air cooled, parallel twin motorcycle; ‘new old school’ if that makes any sense.I might have this wrong, but I don't see that the V4CR/SV adds anything to the brand's value. I think the V4 is more dead than the 961.
When TVS bought Norton it was a bargain. To have that amount of "brand" for that little money is, to me, astounding. The V4cr/sv isn't a Commando, a Dominator or anything with a link or heritage really that will hold brand value.
Look at Mini, look at Triumph. Look at how brand value has been extracted. I believe that's the way they will head. Not to build the fastest or best bike, but to extract value from nostalgia of the brand.
I’m not talking about being the fastest bike. It’s never going to be the fastest bike if they keep it the way it is. But performance sells.I might have this wrong, but I don't see that the V4CR/SV adds anything to the brand's value. I think the V4 is more dead than the 961.
When TVS bought Norton it was a bargain. To have that amount of "brand" for that little money is, to me, astounding. The V4cr/sv isn't a Commando, a Dominator or anything with a link or heritage really that will hold brand value.
Look at Mini, look at Triumph. Look at how brand value has been extracted. I believe that's the way they will head. Not to build the fastest or best bike, but to extract value from nostalgia of the brand.
Agree 100%Spot on. Surely they must lean on their heritage as well. That’s where the 961, if it had been fully developed could have been an absolute winner - if possible with a lower price tag. Norton heritage, looks, low tech but capable. A traditionally configured, air cooled, parallel twin motorcycle; ‘new old school’ if that makes any sense.
The Triumph retros, although awesome machines, I see as modern bikes dressed up as retros. Water cooled pretending to be air cooled, fuel injection pretending to be carbureted. That said, look at what Triumph has achieved! And to completely contradict myself I would really love to add a Thruxton R TFC to my garage, but that would be my only choice from their stable. To double contradict myself, I also like the look of the V4CR. Nothing stopping Norton going retro and super modern of course.
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How did you like the heralded smooth , powerful , good handling Triumph Twin ?This is what I bought when I was originally looking at the 961. It was good. but it was just another bike.
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Turning away and pushing open the door, MV owners leave the roomHow many people are going to buy a bike that’s way more expensive based on looks, that makes less power, that has less modern computer technology , that has not even close to the dealer network as the brands I’ve mentioned before?
Just another bike?! Aside from weaker styling (in my opinion at least) this bike is everything the 961 is (was) not. Neither model fits seamlessly into the "retro" category, anyway. Yes, the Thruxton's faux carbs was huge turn-off for me. But, eventually I could overlook the cosmetic faults in exchange for a modern, quiet, powerful water-cooled twin that proved to be very reliable.
Glenn, have you seen the post by a guy on the RAT forum who actually made his own covers? I might convince him to sell me a pair just to ease my weary mind."If you really hate the Amal shaped covers, make some acceptable ones and slap them on. It's a lot easier than repairing a ring gear, fixing a broken front end or splitting an engine to straighten and rebalance the crank!"
It's kind of funny, but the Speed Twin doesn't have the faux Amal covers.If you really hate the Amal shaped covers, make some acceptable ones and slap them on. It's a lot easier than repairing a ring gear, fixing a broken front end or splitting an engine to straighten and rebalance the crank!
Hi Brit Twit , Can you post a picture of your new bike ?It's kind of funny, but the Speed Twin doesn't have the faux Amal covers.
But Thaiumph has created a kit for Speed Twin owners to retro fit the covers to their bikes, because so many owners have requested it.
Go figure.
I guess, one man's trash, really is another man's treasure.
That is funny. After selling off my 961 I was seriously looking at the Street Cup as a replacement because it did NOT have the faux carbs! What turned me off about that model was the single rotor front disc brake.It's kind of funny, but the Speed Twin doesn't have the faux Amal covers.
But Thaiumph has created a kit for Speed Twin owners to retro fit the covers to their bikes, because so many owners have requested it.
Go figure.
I guess, one man's trash, really is another man's treasure.
Yeah, I really don't understand why Triumph doesn't put caliper flanges on the other fork leg, and sell an optional dual disc kit for the bike. Back in 1975 that's exactly what Kawasaki did on the 903 Z1. Honestly, not having dual discs on my T100 was one reason for me trading up to the Speed Twin. A lot of folks with single disc Triumphs feel the same way. For me dual disc setup is not a cool, or sexy issue, it's a safety issue for bikes over 400 ibs, plain and simple.That is funny. After selling off my 961 I was seriously looking at the Street Cup as a replacement because it did NOT have the faux carbs! What turned me off about that model was the single rotor front disc brake.
Haven't seen that, but with it just being a cosmetic item it should be fairly easy.Glenn, have you seen the post by a guy on the RAT forum who actually made his own covers? I might convince him to sell me a pair just to ease my weary mind.
Apparently there is some circuitry that needs to be covered. The guy that posted his makeover stated he had to replicate the inside of the cover to keep things in order.Another thought is to remove the cover and look at the throttle bodies instead. I'm not sure what that entails.