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I could always beat Todd to the first corner. But then I don't think he had any brakes.

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Rohan said:
Bernhard said:
The F/Bed was not designed / built for this amount of HP especially at flat out racing speeds.
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Joe Craig and Doug Hele would be amused at that statement ?
Thats precisely where featherbeds originated. ??
Not to mention numerous builders of Norvins....

It was only an afterthought that got them into roadbikes.
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You seem to know your bikes, however, my critical eye spots the picture of Paul Dunstall on his drainpipe Norton, I see the engine further forward, inclined like a Commando and fitted lower down in the chassis. Compare that with a F/bed mounted with a twin.
The reason he did that was because the racers , who would drive them harder and faster than most people ride on the road, complained about the f/bed lifting the front wheel everywhere when mounted with the 70+ BHP tuned Atlas engine.
 
" It is unusual for a Triton to lift the front, usually the rear wheel spins first if the weight distribution is correct "

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John Cooper . Norton . Cadwell Park 1965 .
http://www.oldbikemart.co.uk/gallery/20 ... dwell-park was in ' the Motorcyle ' or etc back then . Blue Cover .

them olde Nortons sure were gutless . :)

Finalaly founda copy , or one similar . NOW , just to upset certain individuals - a few of the late tuned manxes were reputed to be produceing 60 Hp
with the odd coustom internal apparatus . like piston , rod , crank & a few other bits , such as a forged one piece pin LH Flywheel & shaft in one of
Hailwoods .

( YES , & it is a MANX Triton Frame , with a 30M Norton Engine :wink: )
 
Brooking 850 said:
Which number are you and on what bike in the pic?
Regards Mike
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I would be 104 on a 750 Norton.
Coming from a 3rd row start -Tod was in the 1st row. Jim

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Matt Spencer said:
" It is unusual for a Triton to lift the front, usually the rear wheel spins first if the weight distribution is correct "

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John Cooper . Norton . Cadwell Park 1965 .
http://www.oldbikemart.co.uk/gallery/20 ... dwell-park was in ' the Motorcyle ' or etc back then . Blue Cover .

them olde Nortons sure were gutless . :)

Finalaly founda copy , or one similar . NOW , just to upset certain individuals - a few of the late tuned manxes were reputed to be produceing 60 Hp
with the odd coustom internal apparatus . like piston , rod , crank & a few other bits , such as a forged one piece pin LH Flywheel & shaft in one of
Hailwoods .

( YES , & it is a MANX Triton Frame , with a 30M Norton Engine :wink: )
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Yes, and it's just cresting the mountain at Cadwell Park, where just about anything will lift the front wheel......................
 
The lifting of the front wheel to which I referred was off the start line, - no big hump to help throw the bike up into the air. If the race is clutch start, it is unusual for a featherbed to stand up even with a very powerful motor unless the motor is too far back. Even a 1/2 inch too far back is too much. My triton always felt light and vague in the front end until I remade the engine plates. The aluminium front mount on the crankcases then touched the steel mounts on the frame tubes. The bike still did not handle as good as the manx, however a lot of that was probably due to the lack of torque from the short stroke Triumph engine. The comparison between the handling of the late model 500cc short stroke manx, and my home-brewed short stroke 500cc Triton was 'chalk and cheese '. However the Triton was cheaper to race, if nastier. I was offered the manx for $1300 in about 1973 and because I already had an uncompetitive bike, I refused it. A few years later it was returned to NZ for about $50,000. However a t least I'd had the experience of riding it really hard on a short tight circuit. And that is a problem - most of the young guys coming along will never know what those beautiful bikes were really like to ride hard. Development for historic racing ruins good original bikes. I seriously suggest that if you are into road racing and see someone with an original manx with 19 inch wheels, go and offer them money for a ride on it around a race circuit, simply for the learning experience.
 
# 61 , Tyler is nearly 16, only a matter of time before he gets offered a Manx to play with.
1,2,3 are guys under 30 and Chris Swallow rides the TT , his Dad is a regular here too.
The White Norton mentioned earlier ridden by a seasoned BEARS rider was doing 1.16 laps, 6 seconds faster than a pushrod single :D
Interesting is # 10 David Morely, who spoke last year at a Vintage Bike Meeting. His first international race was back in 1958 at Thruxton ( I think it was) and the winner of that race was a Mike Hailwood on a T110.

[*] 27 October 2013 Race No. 21 11:05am to 11:11am

POS. BIKE RIDER MAKE-OF-BIKE LAPS ELAPSED BEST-LAP DIFF.
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1ST 75 DAVE COLE MATCHLESS G50 500 4 5m22.29 1m19.19 +0.00s
2ND 233 CHRIS SWALLOW NORTON MANX 499 4 5m22.86 1m16.90 +0.57s
3RD 52 HAYDEN FITZGERALD MATCHLESS G540 500 4 5m35.24 1m20.90 +12.95s
4TH 405 FINN HARMAN WESLAKE SPECIAL 500 4 5m41.29 1m23.21 +19.00s
5TH 135 WARREN MARSH NORTON MANX 500 4 5m42.95 1m22.64 +20.66s
6TH 101 COLIN TATE NORTON MANX 500 4 5m43.23 1m23.37 +20.94s
7TH 61 TYLER LINCOLN NORTON ES2 500 4 5m44.51 1m22.42 +22.22s
8TH 131 JOHN CARTER SEELEY NRE 500 4 5m53.34 1m25.44 +31.05s
9TH 278 MIKE ROSS BSA B50MX 500 4 6m00.27 1m28.38 +37.98s
10TH 10 DAVID MORLEY NORTON MANX 500 4 6m06.46 1m29.56 +44.17s
 
I wish you would not post stuff about British historic racing. I know I will never get there unless I win a lottery . I was in the UK in 2008, and really loved it, the Brits do the nostalgia thing so well ! (- so bloody beautiful !) We have a couple of places around here which have a slight resemblance - Tasmania and New Zealand, and that only makes it worse.
 
We had our Classic Racing Festival here in the weekend, weather was good and had lots of fun.
Interesting to see a Commando holding its own with more modern machines

2 R41 PC SEN 1m08.30 CAMERON DONALD McINTOSH SUZUKI
1 R11 GRADE1 1m10.34 EDDIE KATTENBERG YAMAHA FZR 1000
7 R 8 PC SEN 1m10.87 VINCE SHARP VINCE&HYDE HONDA CB9
91 R34 PC SEN 1m11.46 DUNCAN COUTTS SUZUKI GSXR 1100
41 R11 GRADE1 1m12.14 PHIL DUXBURY SUZUKI GSXR
294 R30 OM,OPC 1m13.59 STEVE BRIDGE NORTON COMMANDO
294 R11 GRADE1 1m13.63 STEVE BRIDGE NORTON 750
212 R31 PC JUN 1m13.80 JASON HULME HONDA VFR
106 R11 GRADE1 1m13.93 ANDREW SKELTON SUZUKI GSXR
12 R 8 PC SEN 1m13.95 KEVIN GREY SUZUKI McINTOSH
5 R34 PC SEN 1m14.04 BRIAN DEADMAN KAWASAKI Z1R
82 R30 OM,OPC 1m14.47 TERRY MARTIN ROB NORTH TRIDENT
38 R11 GRADE1 1m14.87 PAUL RUSSELL SUZUKI GSXR 1100
95 R34 PC SEN 1m15.10 RUSSELL BARKER SUZUKI GSX1100
166 R11 GRADE1 1m15.41 MARK HATTON YAMAHA FZR 1000
2 R18 CMF5PC 1m15.59 CAMERON DONALD NORTON MANX 500
88 R34 PC SEN 1m15.60 GIAN LOUIE SUZUKI GSXR 1100
137 R31 PC JUN 1m15.68 GREG SMITH DUCATI TT2
56 R 8 PC SEN 1m15.69 ALAN DE LATOUR SUZUKI RG500 MARK 1
29 R24 PC SEN 1m15.71 PAUL WEBB YAMAHA FZR 1000 T
28 R18 CMF5PC 1m16.06 DAVID HALL NORTON MANX 500

My favourite was the 500 class.

1ST 2 CAMERON DONALD NORTON MANX 500 5 6m29.94 1m16.61 +0.00s
2ND 32 CHRIS SWALLOW BSA GOLDSTAR 500 5 6m35.37 1m17.86 +5.43s
3RD G TYLER LINCOLN NORTON MANX 500 5 6m40.76 1m18.88 +10.82s
4TH 405 FINN HARMAN WESTLAKE SPECIAL 5 6m47.09 1m19.53 +17.15s
5TH 101 COLIN TATE NORTON MANX 500 5 6m53.52 1m21.20 +23.58s
6TH 20 ROBERT CREEMERS NORTON MANX 500 5 7m02.41 1m22.06 +32.47s
7TH 85 GRAHAM PETERS BSA GOLD STAR 500 5 7m07.23 1m23.42 +37.29s
8TH 278 MICHAEL ROSS BSA B50MX 5 7m08.82 1m24.24 +38.88s
9TH 41 NICK WORTHINGTON MANX NORTON 5 7m13.65 1m24.43 +43.71s
10TH 86 GREG NICHOLSON NORTON DOMINATOR 5 7m19.31 1m25.65 +49.37

You'd have to happy as a 16 year old to be riding a Manx Norton and come 3rd :mrgreen:
He was only riding it as his ES2 had cam follower issues, he's a second slower on that.

I was pleased to take 4 seconds off my 2013 times at 1.28 on the 50 HP BMW.
 
Thanks for posting that John, any chance of posting the OM.OPC class for the weekend from the NZCMRR page as I am unable to get to the result page on my system here in India?
Sounds like you went well
Regards Mike
 
Yes I was pretty pleased, I have not passed the Harley for a few meets and he was giving me some advice about built up cams " don't use them they don't work, that's why your bike is slow"
It must have heard as it perked up when it saw the Harley and whupped it twice :mrgreen:
Only mods I had made were taking all the insides out of the exhaust and upping the rev limiter to 8000. The new Sticky Avons may have helped too.
Have you thought about the Hamilton Winter Series ? was good last year, they ran a Post Classic Class.
 
Hi johnm yes use marktime, just have issues acessing some sites from where I am

John, well done on the BMW, keep me posted on the Winter Series and if i am home will attend.
Post some pics if you have some
Regards Mike
 
Brooking 850 said:
Hi johnm yes use marktime, just have issues acessing some sites from where I am

John, well done on the BMW, keep me posted on the Winter Series and if i am home will attend.
Post some pics if you have some
Regards Mike
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Hi Mike. If you want to PM me with an e mail address I can send you the PDFs of the race results. Faster than copying them all here.

John
 
Hi johnm , thanks for the offer, finally got onto MarkTime, so reviewed all the class results. Looks like I will have to up my game as there a fewm more competitors in the OPC class that I contest.
Looks like they also used the long track for Taupo, I was there with the race bike for a track day three weeks ago.
Regards Mike
 
Yes I understand from my friends that they did use the Taupo long track. I have never ridden on the new Taupo track. My onboard racing interest faded someone after a highside on the old Taupo track which left me in hospital for two weeks with a broken pelvis. (Ouch!) I rode a few times after that but in my sixties I don't have the bravery (stupidity ??) any more :) I do like the street circuits however because its like being a kid again and you dont really need to ride that fast to have a bit of fun. My biggest problem was my competiveness surpassed my talent !!! Im away in Romania working these days but had a few seasons with a guy called Tony McQueen on my bike. He is frankly a brilliant rider and cleaned up the 500 clubmans and two seconds in the NZ 500 TT on what was basically a clubmans bike. He lapped Pukekohe at 1 min 11 seconds on a clubmans 500 with an engine that hadnt been touched for two seasons.

PUKEKOHE PARK RACEWAY - NZ Classic Motorcycle Racing Reg. printed 3:35
EV 26: SENIOR TT UP TO 500 PRE 65

25 October 2009 Race No. 26 3:18pm to 3:33pm

POS. BIKE RIDER MAKE-OF-BIKE LAPS ELAPSED BEST-LAP DIFF.
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1ST 198 PAUL DOBBS BSA GOLDSTAR 12 14m21.94 1m10.93 +0.00s
2ND 500 TONY McQUEEN NORTON DOMI 12 14m26.35 1m11.09 +4.41s
3RD 64 SHANE LODGE NORTON ES2 12 15m01.39 1m13.53 +39.45s
4TH 85 GRAHAM PETERS BSA GOLDSTAR 12 15m19.45 1m14.84 +57.51s
5TH 101 COLIN TATE NORTON MANX 12 15m19.75 1m15.65 +57.81s
6TH 73 MURRAY DE LACY 11 14m24.20 1m17.15 +1 lap
7TH 14 JON WALL AJS 7R 11 15m30.50 1m22.55 +1 lap
8TH 71 KEVIN CASTERTON BSA GOLDSTAR 10 14m24.46 1m25.24 +2 laps
9TH 414 STUART METGE NORTON DOMINATOR 10 15m03.31 1m27.79 +2 laps
10TH 163 ANDREW KIDD NORTON 88 9 16m05.48 1m44.48 +3 laps
DNF 11 ROGER BOURNE NORTON MANX 9 14m07.02 1m32.17 +3 laps
DNF 88 SAM SMITH NORTON ES2 6 7m06.10# 1m10.12 +6 laps

Good at Taupo as well. I loved it when he was faster on the 500 Norton than his own H2. Same at Wanganui !!

TAUPO MOTORSPORT PARK - N.Z. Classic Motorcycle Racing Reg.

B E S T T I M E S 26 September 2010

No. EVENT CLASS TIME NAME BIKE
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500 R1 GROUP1 1m18.77 TONY McQUEEN NORTON DOMINATOR
750 R6 GROUP6 1m19.48 TONY McQUEEN KAWASAKI H2
515 R7 GROUP1 1m20.98 JAMIE GALWAY NORTON WESLAKE
135 R7 GROUP1 1m21.16 WARREN MARSH MANX NORTON
233 R13 GROUP1 1m22.10 CHRIS SWALLOW BSA GOLD STAR
131 R13 GROUP1 1m22.10 JOHN CARTER MOTO MORINI 3.5
203 R15 GROUP3 1m23.34 VINCE BURRELL MOTO GUZZI
233 R18 GROUP6 1m23.34
315 R9 GROUP3 1m23.43 TERRY GALWAY NORTON NORTH REPLICA
201 R12 GROUP6 1m23.66 STEVE GROOM YAMAHA FZR
101 R15 GROUP3 1m24.95 COLIN TATE NORTON DOMINATOR
98 R4 GROUP4 1m25.02 NICK COLE TRIUMPH 3TA
23 R1 GROUP1 1m25.05 BRIAN BROOKS BSA GOLDSTAR 500
120 R9 GROUP3 1m25.15 ROY NORGROVE TRIUMPH T140
91 R13 GROUP1 1m25.19 LINDSAY KYLE COMET or DOMINATOR
40 R6 GROUP6 1m25.54 BRUCE SUTTON HONDA GB
278 R7 GROUP1 1m25.73 MICHAEL ROSS BSA B50MX
73 R1 GROUP1 1m25.99 MURRAY DE LACY TRIUMPH
185 R9 GROUP3 1m26.22 JOHNNY STEVENS TRIUMPH BONNEVILLE
242 R11 GROUP5 1m26.27 JOHN BLAYMIRES MOTO GUZZI T3
148 R4 GROUP4 1m26.48 CHRIS HYLAND TRIUMPH 3TA

He ran a best lap of 1 18.7 at Hampton Downs on methanol. Chris would have beaten him but got a missfire on the Goldstar.


HAMPTON DOWNS - N.Z. Classic Motorcycle Racing Register printed 4:35
GROUP 8: SENIOR TT

24 October 2010 Race No. 26 4:13pm to 4:33pm

POS. BIKE RIDER MAKE-OF-BIKE LAPS ELAPSED BEST-LAP DIFF.
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1ST 1 ANDREW STROUD NORTON MANX 15 19m20.43 1m15.33 +0.00s
2ND 500 TONY McQUEEN NORTON DOMINATOR 15 19m56.07 1m18.70 +35.64s
3RD 233 CHRIS SWALLOW BSA GOLDSTAR 15 20m03.30 1m17.59 +42.87s
4TH 135 WARREN MARSH MANX NORTON 15 20m38.25 1m21.47 +77.82s
5TH 85 GRAHAM PETERS BSA GOLDSTAR 14 19m53.25 1m23.97 +1 lap
6TH 10 DAVID MORLEY NORTON MANX 14 20m12.42 1m24.74 +1 lap
7TH 319 JOSHUA JONES ESTON 14 20m46.17 1m26.94 +1 lap
8TH 71 KEVIN CASTERTON BSA GOLDSTAR 13 20m23.38 1m32.50 +2 laps
9TH 414 STUART METGE NORTON DOMINATOR 12 19m32.78 1m36.01 +3 laps
 
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