1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"

Maybe the deal of the century! So, I wanted to buy the 850 in TX that included a spare 750 engine/gearbox. Grandpaul was handling it for me. When he got there they "couldn't find" the title. He withheld part of the money and took it all away with them promising to get the title. When it became clear that they wouldn't get the title I either needed to take it for parts or Paul could have a project. We decided on Paul having a project and me buying the spare engine and gearbox from him. In the end, even with shipping (expensive) I got a good deal - and he got about the cheapest basically complete 850 I've ever seen. I've bought worse for 3 times as much delivered.
 
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Maybe the deal of the century! So, I wanted to buy the 850 in TX that included a spare 750 engine/gearbox. Grandpaul was handling it for me. When he got there they "couldn't find" the title. He withheld part of the money and took it all away with them promising to get the title. When it became clear that they wouldn't get the title I either needed to take it for parts or Paul could have a project. We decided on Paul having a project and me buying the spare engine and gearbox from him. End the end, even with shipping (expensive) I got a good deal - and he got about the cheapest basically complete 850 I've ever seen. I've bought worse for 3 times as much delivered.
I have to make it abundantly clear: At EVERY point in the deal, I gave Greg the option to wait, back out, or proceed, on HIS terms. After all, it started out as HIS deal, and I was just helping out to make a few nice bucks. So, when he asked for the engine, I told him to name his price, and it was coincidentally the number I calculated as my cost (considering the entirety of the deal including other pretty rough parts, wheels, etc that came with it), and that was going to be my number for him! I have gotten 1 or 2 cheaper semi-rough rollers, but not as nice internally. So, all in all, this deal is VERY much appreciated; and even doing all the work and passing on a good deal when I do sell it, I'll make a good few bucks more than if it had just been the middleman deal. Definitely better than minimum wage, which has been my 20-year average (yes, I calculated it, but did have overhead & taxes).
 
I have to make it abundantly clear: At EVERY point in the deal, I gave Greg the option to wait, back out, or proceed, on HIS terms. After all, it started out as HIS deal, and I was just helping out to make a few nice bucks. So, when he asked for the engine, I told him to name his price, and it was coincidentally the number I calculated as my cost (considering the entirety of the deal including other pretty rough parts, wheels, etc that came with it), and that was going to be my number for him! I have gotten 1 or 2 cheaper semi-rough rollers, but not as nice internally. So, all in all, this deal is VERY much appreciated; and even doing all the work and passing on a good deal when I do sell it, I'll make a good few bucks more than if it had just been the middleman deal. Definitely better than minimum wage, which has been my 20-year average (yes, I calculated it, but did have overhead & taxes).
You absolutely did and I appreciate all you did. My only point was that though the sell s... on us, we both came out good (at least I think so). Sorry if I confused anyone!
 
You absolutely did and I appreciate all you did. My only point was that though the sell s... on us, we both came out good (at least I think so). Sorry if I confused anyone!
No worries. It sure did sound too good to be true. Turned out just good enough.
 
Already on the downhill side. Received a bunch of parts and got after it.

Cush rubbers installed on the rear hub, new tubes in both tires...

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"


There is only so much residue I'm willing to leave on the bike to look "oily rag", the engine covers were over the line. A bit of degreaser and a quick pass with an old t-shirt...

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"


Houston, WE HAVE SPARK!

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"
 
I sure don't know what THIS bodge was about, but I couldn't stand looking at it...

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"


GONE.

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"


Necessity, here is another of your children...

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"


Don't laugh, it worked perfectly.
 
One carb relatively clean, the other had some varnish...

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I gave the outsides only a light cleaning, to keep with the "oily rag" look. I don't want anything sticking out as "too shiny" for the rest of the bike. Forgot to get a shot of the clean bowls and mains, but they're clean...

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Lubed the throttle cables and I get a nice roll-on, snap off. I also replaced the missing low speed screw on the left carb, with one I had in my Amal spares tray at the ranch.

I didn't bother to film the compression check, the tester I used (I have 3) didn't hold the pressure on the guage. When it almost popped the tester out of my hand, I knew there's more than enough compression...
 
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The engine and gearbox arrived from Paul. Haven't looked at the engine yet. When I saw the gearbox my first thought was Oh Crap! But as I started cleaning it before taking it apart, I started smiling a little because as the dirt and grime came off the outer cover, I was just able to see image in it! Once cleaned, it is the nicest used outer cover I've ever received - only a few tiny scratches. When I took it all apart I was really smiling. It was very filled with gear oil and there was not a speck of rust anywhere. It had three faults: Timing side main bearing bad, still had the ball bearing for the layshaft, and the last guy used huge amounts of gasket sealer. Once all the gasket sealer was off, the mating surfaces were perfect.
 
The engine and gearbox arrived from Paul. ...nicest used outer cover I've ever received ...very filled with gear oil and there was not a speck of rust anywhere. ...Timing side main bearing bad...ball bearing for the layshaft, huge amounts of gasket sealer... mating surfaces were perfect.
The good, the bad, and the perfect.
 
Got the front brakes done today, cleaned (not overhauled) the system and installed a new hose. NICE, solid brakes with a SINGLE round of bleeding bubbles; that's not a first, but it's rare (for me).

Master cylinder was pretty grungy (as you could imagine)

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Basic cleaning, smoothed the piston face so as not to scratch the bore, replaced the main piston seal, cleaned the cylinder & reservoir...

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Quick clean of the caliper...

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Done. Nice solid brakes, no drips/leaks. The bike still has the original hose retainer clips. More and more, everything is old & dirty, but NOT clapped out, stripped, zip-tied, or missing. The original owner was very good to his machine.

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It's a 1974 model, purchased in '74, the last registration was 1978; that means it was only ridden 5 years max. Odometer shows 12,756 miles, so that means it only averaged slightly over 2,550 miles per year (50 miles per week). Judging by the appearance of all the internal stuff, the owner was pretty good about servicing and maintaining it. Nice.
 
Gas tank is about as I expected it to be inside- just surface rust, nothing structural, no leaks.

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"


1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"


New fuel petcocks installed.

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"
 
One carb relatively clean, the other had some varnish...

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I gave the outsides only a light cleaning, to keep with the "oily rag" look. I don't want anything sticking out as "too shiny" for the rest of the bike. Forgot to get a shot of the clean bowls and mains, but they're clean...

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Lubed the throttle cables and I get a nice roll-on, snap off. I also replaced the missing low speed screw on the left carb, with one I had in my Amal spares tray at the ranch.

I didn't bother to film the compression check, the tester I used (I have 3) didn't hold the pressure on the guage. When it almost popped the tester out of my hand, I knew there's more than enough compression...
what equipment do you have for changing / balancing tires?
 
what equipment do you have for changing / balancing tires?
At present, a pair of tire irons.

After this last "farmed out" chore (2 tubes changed and 1 tire removed from a rim) I'm going to buy a Harbor Freight tire machine. I should have bought it last week, it would be paid for now!
 
I’m glad it worked out for both Greg and grandpaul and both are happy. I am even more glad that there are still people in this world that are honest , fair and considerate with each other - it is apparent through this thread that you are both gentlemen - a class act times two . A tip of the hat to both of you .
Cheers - RT
 
I’m glad it worked out for both Greg and grandpaul and both are happy. I am even more glad that there are still people in this world that are honest , fair and considerate with each other - it is apparent through this thread that you are both gentlemen - a class act times two . A tip of the hat to both of you .
Cheers - RT
Thanx for that, I have for the last 42 years tried to be completely honest, especially in business. When I had Born Again Bikes, I maintained a 100% warranty satisfaction record with only a handful of claims (only 2 significant ones) handled to the penny. If anyone ever had a problem with me or my work that wasn't resolved to their satisfaction, they certainly didn't inform me about it.

From everything I've heard of Greg's dealings, he's the same way.
 
Going back to last week...

New Fram air filter element installed without a second set of hands!

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"


Replaced keyswitch tumbler, P.O. couldn't find the original keys.

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"


Was about to give it a kick, turned on the reserve tap and gas started gushing out the left carb. Looks like a cracked fuel inlet strainer on the left bowl. DANG! I have spares at the ranch, 32 miles away...

1974 Commando "Wake-Up" / "Make-Run"
 
Went to the ranch yesterday and collecte4d a box of Amal carb spares. This morning, I swapped out the left bowl, I had partially stripped the banjo bolt threads trying to "nip it up" with the cracked inlet screen; also used a new(er) un-cracked screen.

First kick with enrichers lowered - NADA.

Second kick with enrichers raised - Pop! pop!

Third kick - VROOM! Blew rust and dust all over the shop, also a wasp nest.

Took it out for a spin, everything works except the tach which is due to the cable nut not reaching all the way down and/or the drive shoulder threads worn. I'll figure out how to secure it. Goes thru the gears nicely, no kickstarter droop. I'll take it for a proper test-ride after lunch...

Job's a good 'un!

 
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I'm twiddling my thumbs waiting for the title to arrive, so I took the time to scrounge up my last e-bay Norton sale and edited each section to reflect this bike's details. Although this bike may already be sold, I figured I'd want to be ready in case it goes on e-bay.

I'd like to know what y'all think about this, I have tried hard not to embellish anything technical, and disclose all the details absolutely...

1974 NORTON COMMANDO 850 ROADSTER MkII
CLASSIC BRITISH IRON, MILD CUSTOM “SURVIVOR”
COMPLETE AND RUNNING, MOSTLY ORIGINAL

On offer is a complete, nearly all original, classic Norton Commando 850 in Roadster trim, with ALL MATCHING NUMBERS. It truly is a “survivor” in that the bike has nearly all of the main original parts, only a small handful of bits were replaced in the “make-run” after it sat for over 40 years in a garage. I bought the bike from the ORIGINAL owner who told me a few stories, and what I found inside the engine verified everything he told me was true. Please read the entire listing before asking questions, as all the answers are in the listing text which is broken down into the various systems, and in full detail.

CHASSIS & SUSPENSION - Original “Isolastic” frame with rubber-suspended engine & rear end; isolastic buffers are still in decent condition. Forks are the original units and oil shows proper maintenance, no fork seal weepage. Shocks are original and still have decent damping. Swingarm bushings may need cleaning & proper lubrication, but are operating smoothly and are not dry, same for steering. Frame appears totally straight.

WHEELS, BRAKES & TIRES – Original Dunlop chrome steel wheels laced to original hubs; some surface rust, not structural. Front and rear brakes are original. Front brake system was disassembled, cleaned and re-filled with DOT3 fluid, a NEW Andover Norton brake hose was installed. Rear cush hub received NEW Andover Norton cush rubbers, as the originals were perished. Bearings should be re-packed, although they roll smoothly and are not “notchy” at all. Rear brake shoes are good. Tires are okay, but old; they should be replaced for roadworthiness, both have NEW tubes. Chain is still in decent shape, needs to be cleaned & lubed; I cannot confirm originality.

ENGINE – Completely original in every respect. This engine has never had a failure of any sort, and has always been maintained according to the factory shop manual. Correct RH10 cylinder head. Oil was found to be clean and free of debris or any moisture whatsoever, but was changed anyway (Castrol 4-stroke 10/30). Same for the primary system and transmission, all were clean. All valves were within specified adjustment. I installed a NEW Fram air filter element to replace the crumbling residue of the old one. My compression tester would not hold the reading, but compression is very good.

INTAKE & EXHAUST – Original Amal 932 concentric carbs have been cleaned, and one cracked inlet screen was replaced. I will include two NEW sets of Amal rebuild gaskets & o-rings. Exhaust system has a few dings, one dent, and some scratches; some surface rust, not structural. One muffler hangar plate was missing and has been replaced with a drilled base plate which works just fine although it is a visible flaw. I installed the pipes with NEW Andover Norton manifold crush washers. I will include a pair of new cush rubber mounting bolts that I did not install, since all are intact.

IGNITION - Original points, condensers, coils & plug wires, all working perfectly. I installed NEW Champion N7Y spark plugs.

HAND & FOOT CONTROLS - All original parts, dull, scratched, some rust. All controls are fully functional and operate smoothly. Throttle cables have been lubed and pull smoothly, snap back smartly. Clutch cable is original and works well, as does the original rear brake cable.

ELECTRICAL & LIGHTING – ALL original wiring with one noted repair done to the “gang” grounding wires at the cylinder head – they appear to have been cut, then re-spliced. The original length is retained. NEW 2MC capacitor, the original had a corrosion hole. I installed a NEW aftermarket keyswitch tumber, as the original keys were lost by the original owner. All original lights. Headlight bucket has some surface rust. All turn signal lenses and tail light lens are dull, some are slightly cracked. Some lights and horn are intermittent due to corrosion and looseness. I will be making an attempt to have every electrical device working before the auction ends but I DO NOT guarantee it.

METERS – Both meters are original and working. Odometer miles are 12,756.7 FROM NEW. Original owner verified true mileage, which works out to just over 2,000 miles per year. Meter cups are faded and scuffed. Tach cable is loose on the tach drive shoulder and does not stay engaged. I am attempting to remedy this before the auction ends.

BODYWORK – Original steel gas tank with only very minor internal surface rust, NO LEAKS, with NEW aftermarket fuel taps. Tank has been custom painted, with matching original Right sidecover. There is some paint fade, scuffing, small dings, and a few light scratches. Left sidecover was lost, and has been replaced with a plain fiberglass cover, painted in a non-matching blue. Original seat cover is in good shape; some dry cracking on the left side and a small hole at the lower front (hardly visible). Original stainless steel front fender is in good condition. Original stainless steel rear fender in good condition. Both fenders have some scuffing and old “AC Delco Spark Plug” decals. Original oil tank is in good condition, NO LEAKS.

HARDWARE – With the exception of 4 or 5 small bolts, washers, and nuts used to re-install some of the parts that were off of the bike, all of the remaining hardware is completely original and mostly undisturbed.

OTHER – The bike took only THREE kicks to start up, after more than 40 years of sitting. I have taken a very basic test-ride of the bike after I got it running, and everything works as it should. The bike blew a slight few puffs of smoke on first start-up, but it had cleared before the test ride began. It will now start on the FIRST KICK with just a tickle of the carbs; no special routine. The bike makes all the usual sounds for an older Commando, but has all the usual FEEL of a Command also! It is smooth and predictable.

DOCUMENTATION - This bike is sold with clear Texas title in MY name. I will include a digital copy of the work log that lists everything I did to the bike to get it running, and all of the photos I took during the project. All of this is available on fecebook under my name, Paul Zuniga (Leander, Tx).

SHIPPING – All transportation arrangements are the responsibility of the BUYER. I highly recommend using either Keyboard Motorcycle Shipping or MotorcycleShippers. Both use dedicated motorcycle pallets, travel fully enclosed, and the drivers load and unload, door-to-door, coast to coast. I have successfully used both well over a dozen times with great communication and 100% perfect delivery records.

SPECIFICATIONS – Four-stroke, parallel twin cylinder, pushrod actuated overhead valves (2 per cylinder), 829cc / 50.6 cu.in., Bore 77mm x 89mm stroke, 8.5:1 compression ratio, 60 HP / 44.7 kW @ 6,200 RPM, Air and oil-cooled, twin Amal 932 concentric carbs, pedal kickstart, 4-speed transmission (1 up, 3 down), chain driven diaphragm-type multi-plate clutch. Telescopic hydraulic forks, dual rear shocks. Dry weight 414 lbs / 188 kg. (ALL numerical specs “factory claimed”).

BOTTOM LINE

As with every bike, project, and part that I’ve sold online in over 25 years, the above listing contains no hype, no fluff and NO BULL. The bike is EXACTLY as stated in the listing. 100% e-bay seller score.

This would be a GREAT “survivor” or “oily rag” unrestored bike that would appear as though it was still living in the 70s, but is ready to ride 50 years later. Or, it could easily be restored to showroom condition without having to source boxes of missing parts. Of course it could be ANYTHING the buyer wants, from a café racer to a production class roadracer, street tracker, chopper, bobber, adventure or touring bike, to a bar hopper, or show bike. The possibilities are endless, but ANY result would be Classic Brit Iron muscle at it’s core.

SOLD AS-IS. ALL SALES FINAL. NO RETURNS, NO REFUNDS.

Thanx for looking and bidding.

To AccessNorton forum:
Anyone wanting to copy the boilerplate for use when listing a bike for sale, feel free. Just change where appropriate, of course...
 
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