Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now

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Z plate reinforcements? plus others rear sets

There's a rarity of hard points on a Commando so I want to load the snot out of the strongest over built item on a Commando, the signature Z plates. Trouble is their mounting points aren't much a span for the spindly tubes. If ya grab end of a Z it only takes hand force to move it an 1/8" or more d/t frame gusset area flex. Top to bottom bolt span is pretty good and rigid to vertical loads but side wise the Z end can over lever the top bolts span. Anywho its on my mind to triangulate better so open to creative suggestions. Go grab a Z plate and help think on how you'd or me could fix it.

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now
 
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One of the rearset types used the triangular footpeg mountings to hold the rearsets. Yours has lost this ?
That little triangular bracket in alloy was none too robust though, for hard use it probably needs to be replaced - in steel. ?

Commando footpeg mounts don't appear to be a problem, in standard Commandos.
Don't mess with something that ain't broke ??

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now
 
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Rohan, only the holely Z-plate are my own photo the rest just online examples to glance at for reference. Its not the peg mounts that need back up in Peel, they fold up, its the whole Z-plate to take swing arm side loads when Peel hi sides off sideways rear patch in glee. I figured it out last pm, weld tabs off back of down tubes that extend to surround the single Harley size 1/2" bolt that holds Peels pegs in their Z plates. This should spread side loads and some twist loads into rear triangulated frame area to relieve some of the cradle twist on isolastics and Peels rod links. Peel has cross brace on rear frame loops and rear cradle plates cross braced too. Do try the hand grab test on Z plate and some day just a screw driver in front tabs to see how easy to twist the tubes, then extrapolate that to the frame in between. When it builds up to whip back - YIKES!

I'm not mounting side car on trailer hitch to Z plates even braced, got another harder point for that.
 
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I edited my post after you replied.
But if you'd ride your bike to stay alive, the footpegs will be the least of your problems ?!!
 
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Rohan said:
One of the rearset types used the triangular footpeg mountings to hold the rearsets. Yours has lost this ?
That little triangular bracket in alloy was none too robust though, for hard use it probably needs to be replaced - in steel. ?

Commando footpeg mounts don't appear to be a problem, in standard Commandos.
Don't mess with something that ain't broke ??

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now

Some of the rearsets just use an enlarged hole in the Z-plate. The plate is just on the brake side to hold the cable. You can get these from Clubman Racing or RGM. Perhaps Norvil.

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now
 
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And these modified units from Kenny at NYC Norton (Base units from Barleycorn)!!!!
Thanks Kenny looking forward to receiving them next week

Regards Mike

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now
 
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Ok here's Peel's pair of foot control levers but only one pivots on the foot peg

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now
 
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Mike
With the barley corn rig do you have to position the kick lever below the foot rest? It does not look like the footrest swivels out of the way. Or is this not showing on the picture.
 
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Ahem,

Those are NYC Norton rearsets (using some barleycorn bits, built to our specs) complete with stainless linkage, gearbox lever, etc.

Rearsets are $279.00
Linkage, including stalnless steel rod-ends and rod, made to your length $49.00
Gear Selector Lever = $79.00

http://nycnorton.com/products/

swooshdave said:
Brooking 850 said:
And these from Barley Corn!!!!

Regards Mike

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now

Link? How much?
 
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Kenny,
I have just about talked myself into a set of these, if I could make the KS lever work and they mount to stock Z plates I would be a "done deal".

Vince
 
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Unclviny said:
Kenny,
I have just about talked myself into a set of these, if I could make the KS lever work and they mount to stock Z plates I would be a "done deal".

Vince

Talk to Holmeslice. He set me up with those rear sets and a proper kick start lever on a 1,007cc Norton Seeley street fighter for me. Real clean set up.
 
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Dances with Shrapnel said:
Unclviny said:
Kenny,
I have just about talked myself into a set of these, if I could make the KS lever work and they mount to stock Z plates I would be a "done deal".

Vince

Talk to Holmeslice. He set me up with those rear sets and a proper kick start lever on a 1,007cc Norton Seeley street fighter for me. Real clean set up.


Thanks Shrap,


We use a follding kick lever that actually has a better throw than the MK3. It clears the footpeg and toe peg perfectly. The linkage can be run above, or underneath if the rearsets are spaced out far enough so the lever doesn't foul against the linkage rod (this is how I run all our racers - keeps the linkage rod away from boots). The biggest fabrication piece is on the primary side (brake side), fashioning up a plate that will house the footrest, spacing it to clear the big Commando primary cover (not a problem for race bikes with our belt guard covers). I expect to have a bolt-on piece for stock Z-plates in a few weeks that will incorporate a lever stop and brake cable stay, making this a complete bolt-on kit for street Commandos.

I will take some photos of the Shrapnel setup on Wednesday, when we throw open the shop doors to 2013 and beyond.
 
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Cool,
I have a brand new MKIII lever but I can sell it and get a folder I guess (it sure sounds like it will make my life easier).

Vince
 
CNN, using a TTI 5 speed box non kickstart model with those items from Kenny, so no need to work around the kickstart lever
Regards Mike
 
Ms Peel will have another one in a row solution to the folding rear set peg and shift lever mounting that avoids the kicker fouling issue. Will require more custom work to reenforce gear box cover though.
 
Steve to get back to your original post , one forum memeber did this, I am sure you must've seen it before
Bracket welded straight to frame downtube and foldup peg.
Regards Mike

Z plate reenforcements? & others rear sets now
 
Nope and Nope Brooking, Nope I've not seen this method or photo before, and Nope foot peg mounting strength has nothing to do with Ms Peel's reasons to more solidly mount the Z-plate. I don't want to eliminate this beautiful and functional Commando feature i want add to its function. After over a decade now it still has not sunk in Ms Peel has so left the normal world of motorcycle power handing behind - no one can relate to what I'm into or even recognize=note what I've written so plainly on the why in my opening post. May have to also use Z-plates for
a center or even side stand mount in Peel which has out grown the factory items. But if that was all the load intended - then Z-plates already mounted good enough for that. The fancy skeletonized Z plates would fold right up or be torn right off on Peels power load cornering aimed smack into the ground yet missing it every dam time thankyou. Other Nortons may hung up to be built around the horn, Peel is hung from her rump rod and rest built around that.
 
Hi Steve, I guess some of us do miss the point, just trying to relay info that was passed to me!!!
Sounds like you might need you rearsets mounted way higher than the Z plates offer, if you want to retain the Z plates, and strengthen tthem, perhaps go back to undrilled ones and use that system (pic I sent) and use that bracket on the frame as a pick up point to tie back to Z plate close to or at bolt holes for exhaust rubber mountings.
Just a thought, sounds like Mrs Peel will be a winner. When is the projected launch date?
Regards Mike
 
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