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I wonder if the clocks on my MK2 850 are the right ones. They seem to be the veglia's, but without blobs or NVT logo's.
What brand clocks are these?
What brand clocks are these?
 
Yes, they are Veglias. "Made in France" can be seen at the bottom of the speedo dial and both should have a number there.
 
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Veglia just like the ones on my Ducati
 

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Thanks, I found the numbers, no idea what they mean, hope someone over here knows:
What brand clocks are these?
What brand clocks are these?
 
NIX said:
I found the numbers, no idea what they mean
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0919 091 9911 is the (MPH) speedo that normally has the 'NVT' logo.
0920 090 9911 the same for the rev-counter.
 
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So for some reason they do not have the NVT logo on them. I wonder if they are original Commando clocks. At least they are for an MK3, not for my MK2.
 
NIX said:
So for some reason they do not have the NVT logo on them. I wonder if they are original Commando clocks. At least they are for an MK3, not for my MK2.
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Is it a US (or UK) import as I would expect a Netherlands Commando to have been a Mk2A with the 240 kph Veglia speedo?
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Your Mk2 seems to have a Mk3 frame (with a hinged Mk3 seat and seat lock).
 
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I would suggest the clocks are probably off a Triumph Bonneville possibly around 1978/79.
 
possm said:
I would suggest the clocks are probably off a Triumph Bonneville possibly around 1978/79.
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1978 Triumph Veglias (the earliest Veglias were used on Triumphs) were:
Speedo: 0919 094 9900 usually marked 'Veglia'
Tach: 0920 093 9900 again usually marked Veglia but differs from the Norton tach in that it only reads to 8,000 RPM,...
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...not 10,000.
What brand clocks are these?


I don't have numbers for '79 or later Triumph Veglias but I doubt they would have reverted to the '75/'76 items.
 
FWIW, I have the same set of non-labled instruments on my bike. I posted the same question years ago. I believe LAB said he had not seen any like that before, so his question about the bike coming from the US is a valid one if he was trying to ID the origin of the gauges. Going to Rallys and bike shows I have seen a lot of those Veglias on MKIII’s here in the US. I don‘t know if they were put on here or the UK but I’m pretty sure it has something the do with the MPH markings and possible supply issues. That’s just a guess on my part.
One interesting point LAB made was the location of the needle stop pin on the tach. Non-labeled is at zero, the NVT is at 5. Now I’m probably about to jinx myself. Both gauges are rock steady when operating and the Speedo is accurate when compared with my GPS.
 
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My Vauglia speedo is vague on speed and over reads so much its useless, hence the nickname , never tested the tacho.
 
Deets55 said:
Going to Rallys and bike shows I have seen a lot of those Veglias on MKIII’s here in the US. I don‘t know if they were put on here or the UK but I’m pretty sure it has something the do with the MPH markings and possible supply issues. That’s just a guess on my part.
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Veglias (in pairs) were supposedly fitted to Interstates and Smiths to Roadsters not just Mk3, (however, that might not have always been strictly adhered to?).

There were 'MPH' and 'KPH' versions of both Smiths and Veglia speedos and either MPH or KPH speedo would have been fitted according to the country the bike was destined for.
 
L.A.B. said:
Veglias (in pairs) were supposedly fitted to Interstates and Smiths to Roadsters not just Mk3, (however, that might not have always been strictly adhered to?).

There were 'MPH' and 'KPH' versions of both Smiths and Veglia speedos and either MPH or KPH speedo would have been fitted according to the country the bike was destined for.
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Les,
It seems that was more than likely not “strictly“ adhered to. I have seen those instruments on both Roadsters and Interstate models (only on MKIII’s), but 40+ years after the point who knows how the bike was originally put together. In my case I have the documentation that says my bike was shipped as a red Roadster to Berliner. I have owned it since 1998 and I’m pretty sure there were no changes made. I guess it’s just another Norton mystery.
Still curious if those instruments where shipped on the bike from the UK or something that was done here in the States.
 
Thanks for all the replies. So it may still be MK3 items as it seems they came with and without NVT logo's. This bike came from New York. And yes, it has a hinged seat and seatlock, that wondered me too. It's a very late december '73 make. The rest of the bike is MK2. The engine is and the cradle, rear fork, front break setup and steering buttons are also. No idea how it was shipped to the states and what has happened during it's life and how it came to Holland. And what happened over here until I got it.
 
I've the same clocks without the logos on my 75 Mk3. The bike was imported in the late 90s. No info on where from.
 
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What is your swingarm like, does it have Welch plugs?

And a front to back or side to side battery tray?

If no plugs and front to back, sounds like a front end crash repair to me.
 
gortnipper said:
What is your swingarm like, does it have Welch plugs?

And a front to back or side to side battery tray?

If no plugs and front to back, sounds like a front end crash repair to me.
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Didn't the Mk2A have Welch plugs, but with the single screw through the spindle, rather than the twin set up on the Mk3?
 
Mart UK said:
Didn't the Mk2A have Welch plugs, but with the single screw through the spindle, rather than the twin set up on the Mk3?
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Early Mk2/2a's had the end caps/O-rings with long bolt along with the longer spindle and bushes.
Some time in 1974 they got the Welch plug swing arm along with the shorter spindle and bushes (but without the MkIII cotter pins)
 
Mk2a, Nov 73 build, no welch plugs, std side plates with long screw and grease nipple, long spindle and long bushes. Later the MK2a got the welch plugs, felt inserts, short spindle and bushes etc but no cotter pins.
 
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