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TIRE FLAT - BIKE FALLS OVER

Discussion in 'Norton Motorcycles (Modern)' started by richard-7, Oct 5, 2018.

  1. richard-7

    richard-7

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    So Unfort. This is BAD NEWS!!! We have a Domi that has a load of electrical issues and is getting warranty work. While sleeping over per se, the rear tire went flat. We already had a bike in the WHEEL CHOCK so this DOMI was sitting in the garage on it's side stand and would have sat for another day or so ON ITS SIDE STAND like every other bike would. The next morning, this DOMI SS bike, with an aluminum tank and megaphones, is on it's side FALLEN OVER!!!. HUGE dent in the tank, broken levers, foot controls, the works. A LOT OF DAMAGE!!!!!

    My dad cannot believe that a bike that cannot be supported on its side stand from a flat should be HIS FAULT..... He`s been around bikes his entire 67 year life and has never seen a bike that the side stand cannot support a flat tire.

    So here`s a heads up.

    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. lcrken

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    Ouch! Having recently dropped my Sport (my fault) in the shop, I really sympathize. Several owners have commented on how the sidestand holds the bike too close to the vertical. I don't know if the Domis have the same problem. I can see how a flat rear tire would let it tip enough to fall over on the right hand side. I've been planning to shorten mine slightly, and you've just given me the motivation to do it now.

    Ken
     
  3. Eljahara

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    Looks like we need to combine the 60’s/70’s techniques of leaning the bike against a wall with the comedy side stand - put it on the stand but next to the wall. Might scuff the bar end bolts and the seat but got to be cheaper than a dented aluminium tank, megaphone and footrests/levers
     
  4. TonyA

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    Hello Richard , Get another paddock stand or two . 6mm bolts in the swing arm . I Know too late now. I am away from home now and I left mine on the side stand yikes !!! I think this problem is worse on USD forked bikes.
     
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  5. MxMartin

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    It's the same story with some of the Triumphs. One of the frequent complaints from ThruxR owners is getting a flat whilst out on the road and unable to prop bike up on sidestand.
     
  6. BritTwit

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    Real Bummer!
    I dropped my Cafe Racer while moving it around in the garage a few years ago.
    Luckily, it went down straight on the left clip-on, snapped the clutch lever ball end and that was it - amazingly.
    But I know the horror, and heart palpitations from seeing one of these bikes laying on its side.

    I agree, I would think that the front wheel chock would hold the bike up even with a flat rear.
    WTF!
     
  7. Voodooo

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    I know they are hideous, but the safety and convenience of a center stand would of been nice.
    I personally store both my Commando and Dominator on paddock stands. Both of my bikes have the Aluminum tank and the thought of damaging the bike or tanks is gut wrenching.

    Terribly sorry this happened to you.

    On a side note, even a triangle stand would help prevent a tip over and since the rear axle bolt is hollow it’s fast and easy to use and even make one.
     
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  8. Voodooo

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  9. Fast Eddie

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    It wasn’t in a chock...
     
  10. trident sam

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    Has anyone here adapted an Abba stand for use with the 961, I see it could just about be used with adaptors into the "spindle" at the top rear of the primary case fitting over the allen bolts .
    if no one has, then here's a project for me.
    sam
     
  11. BritTwit

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    I see, I misread the post.
    Thanks.
     
  12. lcrken

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    I had never heard of the abba stands until you mentioned them. I checked the US site here

    https://abbastandsusa.com/product-detail.asp?item=pro-sky-lift-package&pid=47

    and was amazed at the various stands. Some very clever designs there. I didn't check their UK site, but I'm sure it's similar.

    Ken
     
  13. richard-7

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    Would need one on each side. The bike fell the other way. Opposite the side stand. The side stand needs to be longer like in the harleys. Or at least be able to hold the bike up with a flat tire.
     
  14. ntst8

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    I suspect a number of modern bikes would fail the flat tyre/side stand test.
    Interesting question as to whose cost - if the bike had still been in the owners shed the outcome would have been the same, unless he always used a paddock stand?
    Until now at least i have only used the paddock stand for maintenance, not storage.
     
  15. Fast Eddie

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    I’m not really sure why modern bike side stands are so short and stumpy, does anyone know?

    My guess is that it’s because there’s no need to try and support people Kickstarting on the side stand etc. And therefore short and stumpy is cheap and light, and is all that’s needed.

    Whatever the reason, most (all?) modern bikes seem thus equipped. And all modern bike sports bikes and tourers have big fat tyres. So my gues is that this is a pretty common factor these days.

    That’s progress I guess...
     
  16. trident sam

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    Hi Ken.
    Yes, they are really useful, I've used one with different adaptors on Hinckley Triumphs, GSXR Suzukis, and a couple of Rob North triples.
    sam
     
  17. Britfan60

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    I had gotten a flat on my 961. Guess I lucked up. the bike stayed on its side stand. Sorry your dad is going through this, Richard. I know as an owner, I would expect where I left it for service to be responsible for the bike. That said, no, Mr. Cootes is not at fault.
     
  18. Fast Eddie

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    Me too! But then to be honest, I wouldn’t expect it to ‘hurt’ them too much as I’d expect their insurance to cover it.
     
  19. BritTwit

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    The Domi has a featherbed type frame - different from the Commando's.
    Maybe the difference between the Domi and Commando side stand geometry is the culprit here.
    The attitude for the Domi will change with a flat tire. Front end will rise in relation to the rear of the bike.
    This will shift/change the weight transfer on the side stand.
    That transfer must have been enough to destabilize the bike on the stand.

    All Domi owners should be aware.
     
  20. worntorn

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    I'm going to try this today with the R( deflate tire while on side stand.)
    Like Richards father, I've never seen a bike tip over from this. I have a couple of seldom used trials bikes that are sitting on side stands now , rear tires flat and no tipping.

    Glen
     
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