There Is No Gap in the Norton

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There Is No Gap in the Norton

The Commando was the last bike produced by the British motorcycle industry proper. And I can easily imagine the engineers at Norton -- up all night with slide rules-- desperately reworking a long obsolete design in the face of Japanese competitors who were armed with unimaginable resources.
These evolutionary pressures could have left us with a motorcycle as awkward and as ungainly as the camel. But that is not what happened.

Every so often I come across an industrial design in which not one line or detail should be changed. The Ferrari 275 GTB by Pininfarina comes to mind. And with the exception of the plastic airbox added to the MKIII, the Commando is just such a design.

As a culture we do not give credit to our metalworking as sacred art. I suppose this goes back even to the Greeks. All of the gods of Mount Olympus were physically beautiful with the single exception of Hephaestus-- the worker in metal.

But there is a reason beyond the pure aesthetic that has kept us steadfastly tinkering with our Commandos. And we are unconcerned with obsolete skinny tires and clanky pushrod engines--because the Commando has something that almost always gets lost in the headlong rush of progress.

And that something is a rare balance and integrity of design. There is no gap in the Norton : it sounds like it feels, and it feels like it looks.

Very Sincerely,
Kara
 
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I have often thought the Norton commando,and the triumph trident/R3 to be the greatest lash ups in motorcycle history
The sum of their parts adds up to a better machine than it really should have
They probably staved off the Japanese bikes for maybe 5 years or so
 
"And I can easily imagine the engineers at Norton -- up all night with slide rules--"

You think Norton had anything as high tech as slide rules? There's no evidence of that! ;)

NASA had slide rules. Norton? Nah...
 
It's a shame that engineering in the the UK was quite often viewed in a poor light. I was once told that only in Japan were engineers afforded the same esteem as surgeons et al.
Okay, the 'biggies' were recognized (IKB springs to mind) but as a Grammar school kid in the '70s Technical Drawing was for the numbskulls only. When I asked to do metalwork at 'O' level the headmaster called for me and informed me: 'We don't expect 'A' stream students to take 'blue collar' subjects.'
 
It's a shame that engineering in the the UK was quite often viewed in a poor light. I was once told that only in Japan were engineers afforded the same esteem as surgeons et al.
Okay, the 'biggies' were recognized (IKB springs to mind) but as a Grammar school kid in the '70s Technical Drawing was for the numbskulls only. When I asked to do metalwork at 'O' level the headmaster called for me and informed me: 'We don't expect 'A' stream students to take 'blue collar' subjects.'

I had a similar experience, wasn't "allowed" to do metalwork as I was doing O-levels and therefore the timetable wouldn't allow it. Metalwork was for CSE students. I did manage to do tech drawing somehow at O and A level. After an OU degree in Mech Eng and gaining Chartered Engineer status I still get a buzz from getting chance to talk to school kids and explain what engineering is really like. Then I spend my evening and weekends doing real engineering and sorting all the issues improving the Commando ;) .

Totally agree with Kara though, the Commando really is so much better than it should be.
 
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All that being said there are both good and bad engineering choices on the Commando.

Good: Isolatics are one of the most brilliant bodges ever. :cool:
Bad: Moving the oil pickup to the front on the 72 models. :mad:
 
The essence of a commando is that it's design was from an age where motorized vehicles were dinosaurs, and the commando was the pinnacle of that dinosaur design. Once the Japanese industry began innovating modern engine configurations, it was all over for the dinosaur designs. The commando, in spite of it's dinosaur design, is still a very ridable bike on today's roads, in today's traffic and that's what makes it so special. It's not like riding some "parade bike". It's still a valid choice on the roads and has a torquey quality and unique feel which never gets old...

It's like those P38 mustangs that changed the air war results in WWII. They don't compare to the new F22 fighter jets, but they are appreciated as the best of their era...


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I agree with all that been said , however, while not a big, big fan of HD , take a look at their bikes from same era as our Nortons , really not much difference to point out , the most obvious would be the Commando ran down the road much smoother ......
 
Plain and simple a Commando is what it is.... They stand alone and to compare them to other bikes is at the very least sedition.... At most high treason. They were hatched from dragon's eggs found by loyal sage Englishmen at the Earth's fiery core and given to us as a gift....... So just be thankful and show some respect without question. This came to me in a waking dream I felt need to share.
Truly the most magnificent bike I've owned in my life.
 
Plain and simple a Commando is what it is.... They stand alone and to compare them to other bikes is at the very least sedition.... At most high treason. They were hatched from dragon's eggs found by loyal sage Englishmen at the Earth's fiery core and given to us as a gift....... So just be thankful and show some respect without question. This came to me in a waking dream I felt need to share.
Truly the most magnificent bike I've owned in my life.

I don't disagree with anything you said. Especially the egg part.
 
Now for something completely different:

Apparently I am a closet Commando terrorist.

I had a Black 70 something Commando in 1985. It was forged over a pile of steaming dung. I sold it after 3 months riding it. It was a single concentric Amal carbureted bike. It felt top heavy and slow in performance on the road as well as handling compared to the P11 that I've had since '74. The performance issue was obviously the single concentric carburetor, but the top heavy slow handing feel entering turns I could not get past. I really wish it had worked, but it didn't for me.

Norton motorcycles are the best rumbling "old" twins on the road though. I like looking at clean well prepped Commandos, and listening to them. I've owned and ridden a few bikes that were gapless for their time. Nortons are however considerably more unique.
 
The essence of a commando is that it's design was from an age where motorized vehicles were dinosaurs, and the commando was the pinnacle of that dinosaur design. Once the Japanese industry began innovating modern engine configurations, it was all over for the dinosaur designs. The commando, in spite of it's dinosaur design, is still a very ridable bike on today's roads, in today's traffic and that's what makes it so special. It's not like riding some "parade bike". It's still a valid choice on the roads and has a torquey quality and unique feel which never gets old...

It's like those P38 mustangs that changed the air war results in WWII. They don't compare to the new F22 fighter jets, but they are appreciated as the best of their era...


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Or were they P51 "Lightnings"? :)
 
Now for something completely different:

Apparently I am a closet Commando terrorist.

I had a Black 70 something Commando in 1985. It was forged over a pile of steaming dung. I sold it after 3 months riding it. It was a single concentric Amal carbureted bike. It felt top heavy and slow in performance on the road as well as handling compared to the P11 that I've had since '74. The performance issue was obviously the single concentric carburetor, but the top heavy slow handing feel entering turns I could not get past. I really wish it had worked, but it didn't for me.

Norton motorcycles are the best rumbling "old" twins on the road though. I like looking at clean well prepped Commandos, and listening to them. I've owned and ridden a few bikes that were gapless for their time. Nortons are however considerably more unique.

Roadster or Interstate tank? 7 gallons of fuel up top make a massive difference. A single Amal is a total chokepoint.
 
Hold on while I get a grip on things here trying to picture a top heavy Commando... Not making fun of you either.... just trying to see what you experienced..... My old GL 1000 is top heavy in my mind. Bugger can fall over at 20mph and lay there on top of you fartin' n rumblin' and you can't get the heavy creature off you while screaming at gawkers for help which never comes as they have fits of laughter.
The only time a Commando doesn't have a good balanced feel to me is with a passenger.
 
Roadster or Interstate tank? 7 gallons of fuel up top make a massive difference. A single Amal is a total chokepoint.
Not a 7 gallon tank, pre Interstate. '72 comes to mind, but I didn't keep records back then. Understood about the single carburetor.

I just didn't care for it. Not a big deal. The P11 is a heck of a lot lighter and bit shorter. Fun and easy to ride quick if you don't mind weak brakes and a bit of an occasional pucker factor when you could use a little more brake.
 
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