side stand, '''''70 cmdo

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all i have is a centerstand. did my bike originally have a sidestand also?
 
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Yes, even if it is a bit short. I've heard there's a BSA one out there that fits and is aboutr 2" longer. But I haven't found one yet.

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Dave
69S
 
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DogT said:
Yes, even if it is a bit short. I've heard there's a BSA one out there that fits and is aboutr 2" longer. But I haven't found one yet.

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Dave
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Is there supposed to be a stop somewhere on the frame to keep the side stand from retracting too far? Mine goes back under the exhaust pipe so far that to retract it you have to reach under with your hand and pull it out.
 
Re: sidw stand, '''''70 cmdo

thats a later side stand (71 on) - 70 is the short job, most brit places carry the extended "BSA like" one that is bolt on that Dave mentioned

Robb2014 said:
I just saw a picture of a stock side stand. Someone must have cut off the narrow bar that extends from the end... probably after tripping over it for the hundredth time or so.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... Q&dur=2313
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On mine the cut out on the stand hits the tongue and stops it from hitting the frame.

Mike, are you saying that a later (71) prop stand will fit on my tongue?

Dave
69S
 
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DogT said:
On mine the cut out on the stand hits the tongue and stops it from hitting the frame.

Mike, are you saying that a later (71) prop stand will fit on my tongue?

Dave
69S
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No Dave, but there is an extended one specifically for early frames - i purchased one from Phil at fairspares a month or so ago that's probably about 2" longer and bolts to the 70 frame
 
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Great, I'll give him a shout. I'm always carrying around a piece of 1x4 to put under that stand. I can't start the thing without the stand and if it leans too much, I can't start it either. I just can't get the balance/leverage on it and I have to put my weight through the next compression, even after I have it over TDC. I always seem to have to get both feet on the pegs to start it. Although I have to say I did start it once without the stand, but it had just been run about 50 miles and was good and warm, it was more like just pushing the kick start. Pazon of course.

Dave
69S
 
Re: sidw stand, '''''70 cmdo

Oh, boy.

06-0766 SIDE STAND (1968-70 COMMANDO) 1" LONGER THAN ORIGINAL TO WORK BETTER $135.00

I'm sure it's good. I'll keep the 1x4 block, being a Luddite and recluse of course. The 1x4 may block a bullet from the Tea Party insurgents too.

UGH. Where can I go for relief. NZ? Pitcairn?

Dave
69S
 
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Use a lampost. Leave it in gear . The bolt on lug could chew up the tube . practical with only one .
Set right , you learn the roll it bak & flick stand with toe, itll throw itself on ( the Mainstand ) . :)
 
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Can you not simply remove the foot and weld on an extension length of
your choosing? 135USD is a bit steep for those past working age or those
just starting out.
...or those who pine to order a Fullauto head.
 
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I've thought about welding on an extension, but I'm reticent to change an original part. If I could find or even make a replacement, I'd do it quick. The dang thing is even £ 110 at RGM. I've seen some BSA ones on ebay, but they're still $50 or more.

Dave
69S
 
I tired of my 70 leaning down like it was drunk so I made a new (longer) side stand. I am fortunate to have a lathe and milling machine but working pretty steadily at the job it took almost a half a saturday to fabricate, test and install the new side stand. I made the new one to be cosmetically exactly like the original but about 1 1/4" longer.
The original units appear to have been welded (brazed) together so it was probably an easier and cheaper way to manufacture than machining from a billet but I was wary of my welding skills.
Anyway it was a lot of work so maybe a wooden block is not a bad idea!
 
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DogT said:
...... I can't start the thing without the stand and if it leans too much, I can't start it either. I just can't get the balance/leverage on it and I have to put my weight through the next compression, even after I have it over TDC. I always seem to have to get both feet on the pegs to start it. Although I have to say I did start it once without the stand, but it had just been run about 50 miles and was good and warm, it was more like just pushing the kick start.
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Dave, I'm afraid you are flirting with disaster. That stand is too weak to take the stress of standing on the pegs for very long. And when it breaks you may wind up on the ground on top of your pride and joy! A local club member parked his recently restored '69 'S' on a concrete driveway and while we were all inside the host's garage we heard a bang as the side stand let go and his shiny new 'S' exhaust system wound up scratched. The owner had been warned about kicking it while standing on the pegs and resting on the sidestand.

If you must start it on a stand, use the centerstand. Better yet, with a little practice I'm sure you can master the practice of starting it on the wheels with the sidestand up.
 
i'm always amazed when someone owns something for 20-30 years and balks at a $130-200 item to improve it :shock: - or even a $500-$1000 item (like a fuel tank). but thats just me i guess as thinking about it in the long run its penny's cheap. Having said that, the side stand on my triumph is to short and i put a piece of wood under it to park it too when those time arises -though i always prefer the center stand (unless its muddy) - and i'd never start any bike on the side stand

i have the feeling Dave's bike is a sunny day driver and doesn't get out to often, nothing wrong with that - remember dave is almost 100 and he's doing pretty good for a guy that age :mrgreen:
 
I keep a sharp eye on that side stand. I've always started it that way, just got a center stand with the rebuild. I'm thinking it's the way I balance on the bike when starting that I don't put that much stress on the stand. I certainly would like to start it without the side stand, I'll keep trying. Maybe if I went to 20W50 it would help.

I always forget about brazing, I'm pretty good at that and if I could find a few pieces of metal.... I'll have to root around the metal shop in Culpeper.

Yeah, look out guys, I'll be going over the ton in age here pretty quick.

Dave
69S
 
The amount of leverage involved in kickstarting a Commando on the sidestand is massive. The frame tube is only 1" dia and about 0.070" wall thickness. Riding off with the sidestand down will give that bottom rail a hard time. If you need to start on the stand, the centre stand is the way to go.
 
The 70 centerstand is a joke though with no feet . The sidestand is a prop device only. Kicking on the prop sooner or later results in frame inward collapsing around lug. Dog T (you old dog )if you're going to resort to the centerstand startup then flat pavement or concrete. You are "supposed" to fire up any Norton off of either stand . The centerstand for my 70 got tossed years back after a fallover. Like all motorbikes you must carefully choose the surface for that propstand flipout. Or pay the Piper.
 
All I can say is I've been starting this bike off the prop stand since I got it to no ill effects. But I do take care that I balance it off the stand as much as I can and giving it the what for on the timing side keeps the force off the drive (stand) side. There appears to be no damage or slop in the stand since I got it. It just may be that some people are brutal on it for some reason or my bike has always been an easy starter. I have never been able to start the bike without getting both my feet on the riding pegs and giving it my weight to go through the compression, that said, I've seen people start my bike sitting on the seat and kicking it through with their leg muscle, no weight into it, cold start. And I thought I had strong leg muscles, apparently not.

When I can't start it I'll give up.

Dave
69S
 
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