Ron Woods Norton

Anybody have pictures of Jorgenson or Aldaneo (sic) Norton's in TT trim? Looking for the front brake set up.
Thanks

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Only 37 years to late . I guess the price has gone up by a few dollars by now .



"I think it would be the weekend that I won the Yamaha Gold Cup on the Norton. Prior to the TT national that I ended up winning the following day, it was one of those exceptional weekends that I had never thought would happen in a million years and it all happened in one weekend. The Friday night ½ mile then the Saturday national TT, then it was also the first national Norton had won in over twenty years, and then we all know that a couple years later Alex Jorgenson won another national on another Norton, a Ron Wood's Norton. But I was the first in twenty years so that was something I'll remember for a long, long time. Because not only did I win the race, something that hadn't been done in a long time but the bike caught on fire in the winners circle and that made it that much more spectacular. Where as now days you can go to Supercross and they have fires, and gas, and bombs, and rockets, that go off to accentuate whatever it is their announcing, well in this case it was accidentally induced by leaky carburetors on a good running Norton."

( Dave Aldana . ) .

There are those long inlet tracks again.

And the front brake setup is easy, there is none

Glen

Bollocks . ( heres the . )

IF THIS CHAP WOULD JUST MOVE OVER :!:





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Most likely this outfit - Discs . http://www.airheart-brakes.com/ They were pretty standard ' cool ' issue at the time .
often with Honda :x calipers , the yuk single piston 500 ones . As they were LIGHT ( and possibly cheap ? ) Unsprung Weight was considered paramount . The Airheart brakes were nice skinny light weight .

Wow! terrific shot! looks like 12" Barnes rotors (I have the same on my '80 XR) and my guess is Grimeca 1000T's...with the way they exit to the top.
i thought Airhearts were larger, could be 1050's...?

That is one killer pic!!!!

Thanks so much!

That pic reminds me a lot of me when I dirt ride. Only differences my tires would be in contact with the ground and I would be going quite a lot slower. Other than that, Aldana seems to have it down pat!
:mrgreen:
Glen

Pictures of ittty bitty Nortons with too big looking paws and chest, especially when lifting out of contact flash me back...

1972 in hill country Tallahassee Fla on the P!! approaching lighted intersection with a steep entry I [leaving the bowl FSU campus was built in], the light turned yellow so I just smoothly nailed it to find I got air about 1/3 the way across 4 lanes, hmmmm. So worked up faster and faster till I got the bugger 3-4 feet over the road crown, mostly following parallel to the road crown so wasn't that scary high and landing was on similar down slope so also not hard or scary to do. It could get a little bit crossed up when the wind was blowing in gusts. Flights lasted about 2-3 sec 6o's mph. You better bet I was scared about traffic turning unexpected or something large in landing zone but literally one of my life highlights and was way more thrilling than terrifying. Just another example of a Norton twin taking me for the ride of my life w/o intending to, at first... It takes intense devil may care state to go at it enough to leave surfaces and seriously wondered how any one can do it, all's I can say is if you got a big powerful gun enough and the trigger is right there, you pull it and then find out rational brain make be going bizerk in shock but its way too slow on the draw...

Oh yeah next to P!! home was empty lot, with grassy mowed ditch in front, with 8 ft mowed berm face so would hit that on an oblique with pavement traction sudden launch to 40's mph on many returns home to get 4-5 feet high, with harder landings. Couldn't lean it to turn around but was a rather sharp handler by spinning out rear.

These kind of Nortons have OH SHIT > Whip-lash Acceleration up to like 100 mph in lower gears.
You can't just willy nilly pull their trigger w/o fore thought of squirting or spinning desired.
Just too brutal vibration to cruise far and fast for long for me so no desire for one no more. I'm a Commando convert now.

........."Just too brutal vibration to cruise far and fast for long for me so no desire for one no more."........ Well how about some light weight pistons and longer rods with the correct balance factor to quell those vibes? As for the front brake you could use madass140's ready to go kit.

Yes light piston rods and BF in the mid-upper 80's would definitely help enduring non rush hour city freeway speeds but still 750 size pistons and solid mount would expand grips after a while till hardly able to feel hands at end of wrists. The adrenaline to handle these off idle to full boil can only last for so long I found. The fella that turned me on to Bob Patton ingenious rump rod lived on his P11 in Calif. but only after he installled Honda rubber mounted bars. I had my father to face if I got in trouble at college on my P!! so mostly behaved in town it,

Butt was talked into letting across the Hall "Bud Man" to let him use it to work off depression of failing in school and lossing his girl friend, a bit after he'd let me ride his full tilt boggey Rigtheous ridiculous extended springer brakeless front molded Harley chopper, which I'll never forget, but to let his girl friend know how he felt w/o speaking to her, he ran the P!! through the hall ways and across the grassy areas and in and around the dorms, at wee hours till both the campus and city and state police and emergency and fire crews called out to trap him. He came back w/o bike which dropped my heart in my pants, till he told me is dumped in under a hedge and just walked back to dorm. Next day I retrieved it but found I-it was then on a prime target to arrest on sight but shoot it was more than half again quicker than anything on the road - so got reports of friend see me leave police behind so quick then were left stuck in traffic pounding and pounding and pounding on steering wheel - which I'd missed out on as no rear view mirrors. I never worried about looking behind for a pass as about a usful as looking in behind to see if something was going to catch up with the bullet just fired...

I did not have much sense of self worth in those daze, but Boy Howdy the ole P!! gave me a risk taking ego that counties today! A firm belief in the supernatural was instilled too on the miracles I survived no skill of my own, but it wasn't no God of the Bible Deity I felt in control, no sir this is what the Devil Rode to thumb nose at holy slowly cloud floating enities.

BLATTTT!!!

If you consider it , Steve , you dont need no dang supercharger to get no 160 mph , if youre up over 750 cc . Try some power /wt & Drag / Hp calcs .

"TT

" Actually Nick Delaganis was once a tuner for Gene romero , the 1970 AMA Grand National Champion , who won the honour on Triumphs .
Deleganis built a Norton Commando based T T machine abd David Aldana won a National at Ascot Park's T T track on it in 1973 , but nobody
had been able to win a National on a Half Mile or mile track in recent years . "

:cry: :mrgreen: Classic Racer , P 72 . dunno the date . Lotta tourque about Norton , dirt track artical .

RIGHT , how about 100 Hp from 750 cc Norton , Please . :? 8)

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As for the FRONT BRAKE , ive got a poor photocopie of a picture from a large leaf book of a pair of large eyes ( Aldanas ) on a Norton , airborne , at night .
so it could be clearer . Roundish outer face to calipers , hoses outside from centre , go up . Looks like the r h calipers jumped out side the disc . :?
Was in a Large thinish M'cycle book maybe OREWA Library , mayby everywhere, as Ive a Dual Page pic of Nielsons Ducati probly from the same book .
Think the Norton one got wet . Probly 1980 ish issue . General M'cycle scene colour pic stuff , though N's black & white .

Matt I could only go about 150 on the P!! but it didn't take very long getting there, a bit past a 1/4 mile, so even if Peel could reach 160 on her 56 cid drag engine w/o blower - that ain't good enough for what I want/need to out G-time to speed the angry looking plastic insects to snap up like a bat. I want something i have to real careful not to just smoke out form under going well over 100. Initially Peel will be drive train limited then later tire limited. Like holding the trigger to a machine gun BLATTTT! I think Peel might be able to stoppie by slam down wheelie on locked brake the let going to pop right back up to balance point.

The brakes feel a bit wooden . :wink:

A Wooden Norton eh.


Alrighty DWS that's pretty much sums up the reactions i got when H2' and Tridents glanced as ole P!! and then the balloon tire squads at Peel. I absolutely didn't earn or deserve the unapproachable P!! dragster but it changed my life in a number of ways and Peel by her unapproachable orbital speeds. I want the brutal torque response with the violent turning action and not feel there's cycle under me. With hair trigger digital tire control you simply can not avoid being a stuntsman so might as well enjoy it to the max.

Hobot, FYI - C.W. did a speed test on the quick production bikes a few years ago, the ZX-10 did a 10 flat @ 150mph, on its way to a speed limited 186mph top end.
In `99 they got a 9.46 @ 146 plus 194mph top end out of a [stocker] Suzuki GSX-R 1300 `Busa.

Yeah Man JAW them newest corner cripples are real rocket ships in bee lines and I doubt Peel can hook up a 'skinny' tire to barely break under 10 sec even with her nose tucked down ~3". Its the corners she don't have to slow up so much to get ahead in then try not to lose much if any in the longer straights in tracks that even these rocket ships can't top out in, usually because they can't slow down enough for the leaning part coming up too fast for em. Peel is an outlaw so only track day timing and teasing track instructors or other hot shots in contests is best I can expect for objective pecking order. I've been thinking how to video Peel going at it with elite racers so will pow pow with track school to see if they've a rider willing to try. I'll suggest that they put Peels camera facing backwards and expect them to roll eyes and install their camera facing backwards... till next pit stop. You just don't know how much I've tried to squeeze the last drop of turning G force out of supposed race level moderns on race level heated race only tires, but they just give away before the going gets good on you know what... Breathtaking is not a metaphor on Peel, in phase 4 I get tunnel vision and dimming unless I lock lungs just before the ballistics kick in.

A real dragster can not be held on too by grip alone in its launch leap and up shifts in power band. The P!! was tiny and low like a 50 cc Honda and idled fairly softly @ 600 rpm and had so much space to look through it was hard to compute what it actually was on first glance, even confused me double taking ton first sight seeing an English 10 speed bicycle leaning on same wall seemed bigger more massive. Neither one had any stands on them. The hot bikes of the era would zoom up to me at lights and look down with cocked heads then stiffen up as the brute-ness got through, then they'd go vaarrroooOOMMM and let clutch out on throttle for a bike length rush forward. I'd tweak throttle for a BLATTT and let clutch out off throttle to jerk my head back in violent jerk you'd could tell wasn't even trying hard. To a bike they all just idled down and turned off at first chance. Only time I got a race was when I was staying legal and they'd pull up - look- jerk up- then slam down a few cogs screaming while I'd snick one lower and roll on throttle and shift again as I passed them still peddle up their ladder. Usually started off about 35-45 mph till over 100 then light or road ran out. P!! could spin a street tire at close to 100 in 3rd straight ahead. I could only nail WOT in 4ht over 60 or so or just hesitated till bike caught up with the spin. Another Breath taking Norton in bee line sprints. Its what gave me a taste for the low speed parking lot smoking stunts.

This slipping and sliding is a real hoot though and closest thing to water skiing on wheels I can think of. Not many places to get away with it at race speeds in public but there are wide spots to do slower stunt cycle drifts and slides and spins. These flat trackers are very handy for that but I've never seen video of Brit Iron doing stunts other than close parade and clown acts. Some one should put lights and tag on one these desert racers and see if they don't have a hard time sleeping with their grins and body reactions twitching on flash backs of the joint straining sensations all night and day long.

Not Mr Wood , nevertheless . If youre wondering how to get going . . . On the RIGHT , we have . . .

" Norton Triumph Dirt Track Team 1975

Organized in the Fall of 1974 after Norton had taken over Triumph in the U.S., we raced special short stroke Norton 750 twins in Trackmaster frames for miles, half-miles, and TT's. The short track bikes were special 350cc singles with engines developed by Speedway legend Gene Rhyne. The team riders were Rob Morrison, John Hateley, and the late Mark Williams. Mike Kidd was supposed to have been on the team but had broken his leg and was replaced by Hateley. The team was shut down in the summer of 1975 when the company ran short of funds.

Pictured in the photo from left are: Bob Tryon (team manager), Brent Thompson, Steve Storz, Jim Messler, and Sterling Goin. TBT. "
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click to resize it or something . Havnt seen it before ? .

I'm a bit puzzled about the top speed of motorcycles. I always had the impression that a 50 BHP manx Norton would do about 140 MPH given the opportunity. It seems to me that the faster you go, the power required is a squared relationship compared with the speed, and up to 100MPH is fairly easy. I've watched this video and I'm amazed how many guys spit themselves off modern bikes by grabbing a handful of throttle :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiykwlajACM

I have no idea what the fastest is that I've gone when racing, however I don't think it would be much over 120MPH.

Oh Crapola Alan, move it to Interesting mc video thread as not Woods related at all. I could only take it till when wife/girl friend said, "see I told ya it was a bad idea." As video demo's it don't matter if on a joy ride or just commuting or even stopped ya ain't ever in full control on two wheels. Do imagine the risky thrills that can be had with a lowered Wood's racer let loose in major cities. 120 is about fastest most visiting moderns will do in Ozark straights but the locals on moderns play games 25 mph faster. I bet ya a Wood's or Axtel level P11 would reach 140+ naked if geared for it.