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Hi,
I also battle with concept of my 70s bikes (Mk2 850, T160 and T140V) being nothing but old, quirky, collectable museum pieces.
I choose to regard them as still competitive (in general use), perfromance bikes. In fact one criteria I have for my little menagerie of Pommie cars and bikes is that they are capable of giving a reasonably modern road performance and certainly at least keep up with modern traffic. Hence my interest focuses on products from the sixties and seventies.
I now ride them far less than I should, when I do (mostly the Commando) but I expect a high level of performance.
I give nothing away when riding against modern bikes. I neither give nor expect any quarter.
I guess as I age, I limit my speeds to stay vaguely in touch with the State limits but I certainly rely their handling to keep up or be ahead of other bikes (and more importantly riders) on mountainous or twisty roads.
I don’t think this means I’m silly or reckless when riding but if you want to be substantially ahead of me, as long as outright horsepower isn’t critical, you had best be prepared to have ago.
I think my arse and body in general has aged more than the bikes and this limits the distance I’m likely to ride on any one day.
Of course in reality both the bikes and I are geriatrics. I’m sure there are plenty of modern 250s that would be ahead of our bikes in performance, handling, and braking but I’m prepared to ignore all that and still regard my bikes as high performance sports machines.
I think that if you forget about the actual CCs of our Commandos and don’t compare them with modern bikes of equivalent capacity but rather think of them as the physically rather small bikes that they actually are, they still give a good account of themselves .
I definitely don’t consider them vintage pieces to be pottered around like veteran car.
They say you are only as old as the woman you feel but in my case, my Norton is as new as I’m prepared to ride it.
regards all
al
 
Good points, well put !

I think it’s worth remembering that in order to go faster than you, someone has to go faster than you !

I was once out with some mates on a wide mix of bikes. I was the only sad one flying the flag on a T160. We opened them up a bit (a private road obviously officer) and when we stopped a guy said to me:

’That shifts, you were doing 120mph back there’!
‘I know’ I replied ‘but I was doing over 7,000 rpm’
’I was only doing 7,000 rpm’ he said in astonishment, he shook his head in amazement and waked off.

The point (that he totally missed) is my bike was going as fast as it could, whereas he was on an R1 and was only using HALF the available revs !

Nevertheless, irrespective of the potential speed of the bikes, we were BOTH going as fast as WE could, or at least wanted to.

The main difference, of course, is that I was having MUCH more FUN !!
 
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I can go as fast as mates on modern bikes, until we get to the brakes. Mine go on a fair bit earlier :oops:. I rarely go above 5,000 revs, just to check the clutch is still fine.

For a few months I've been pondering on getting a second classic bike. I can't think of one that would match the Commando for performance, sound, comfort, reliability (and spares availability), weight and looks. Got it right 1st time. That's jinxed it!
 
One thing to keep in mind is that parts supply for our bikes is pretty good but overhauls on our selves doesn't go all that well.
As we age keeping our attention span active gets harder and harder.
Stay alert out there. Please don't ask why I mention this...
 
Good points, well put !

I think it’s worth remembering that in order to go faster than you, someone has to go faster than you !

I was once out with some mates on a wide mix of bikes. I was the only sad one flying the flag on a T160. We opened them up a bit (a private road obviously officer) and when we stopped a guy said to me:

’That shifts, you were doing 120mph back there’!
‘I know’ I replied ‘but I was doing over 7,000 rpm’
’I was only doing 7,000 rpm’ he said in astonishment, he shook his head in amazement and waked off.

The point (that he totally missed) is my bike was going as fast as it could, whereas he was on an R1 and was only using HALF the available revs !

Nevertheless, irrespective of the potential speed of the bikes, we were BOTH going as fast as WE could, or at least wanted to.

The main difference, of course, is that I was having MUCH more FUN !!
Yep
I've been on recent rides where, after a stop, some of the riders on modern sports bikes say "shit, you were really hanging in there with us"
The difference being they were using 50% (or less) of their bike's potential where I was using 90% of mine.
Fun riding.
Cheers
 
One thing to keep in mind is that parts supply for our bikes is pretty good but overhauls on our selves doesn't go all that well.
As we age keeping our attention span active gets harder and harder.
Stay alert out there. Please don't ask why I mention this...
My 78yo moto bud got rear ended on his vintage Guzzi, by his friend, 82yo and they've ridden together for half a century. Sad. :(
 
PSHAW . !

Theres a U Tube thingo of a RACE TRACK ! . The 650 Bonnie is outcornering the 250 rice burners . New Ones !

Im not sure the little ring dings'd be any good in the desrt , either , wot with the sage bush'n all . If theres any left .

Though thereis the FATIGUE element . And the plow through Vs bounce over set up .

End of the day its likely the rider . Tho theres no RD 350s at the lights anymore . Or Bonnies coming of the line with the front aloft .

The 400 Lb odd pommy trash from yesteryear is still 400 Lb odd . The average new job isnt . and most you cant clamber round on .
Not to mention the 'classic ' "Under the Paint "riding position Vs the modern Baboon fitting . Still no ejector seats either .
 
I can go as fast as mates on modern bikes, until we get to the brakes. Mine go on a fair bit earlier :oops:. I rarely go above 5,000 revs, just to check the clutch is still fine.

For a few months I've been pondering on getting a second classic bike. I can't think of one that would match the Commando for performance, sound, comfort, reliability (and spares availability), weight and looks. Got it right 1st time. That's jinxed it!
The Vincent twin is quite comparable with the 850 Commando. The Vincent is better in some areas, the Norton in others.
The Vincent is more long legged in nature and feels like it has more torque available, very nice for two up riding on mountain roads.
Parts availability is similar to the Commando but the Vin parts are generally more expensive.
 
The Vincent twin is quite comparable with the 850 Commando. The Vincent is better in some areas, the Norton in others.
The Vincent is more long legged in nature and feels like it has more torque available, very nice for two up riding on mountain roads.
Parts availability is similar to the Commando but the Vin parts are generally more expensive.
I had thought about this when @Mart UK made his comment you quoted. I decided he was correct that he got it right the first time (and thus I did too ;-) ) because of the price difference.
 
The Vincent twin is quite comparable with the 850 Commando. The Vincent is better in some areas, the Norton in others.
The Vincent is more long legged in nature and feels like it has more torque available, very nice for two up riding on mountain roads.
Parts availability is similar to the Commando but the Vin parts are generally more expensive.
I ride sometimes with friends on modern bikes, most often on a TR6 or Commando. The first time through the twisties they were very surprised (bordering on amazed) at how easily the museum pieces keep up (and I'm not that much of a rider), on the straights at sustained naughty speeds, not so good. Better buy a lottery ticket with a view to adding a Vincent to the stable.....and start the difficult conversation with my wife.
 
Yeah but why did you stop!
In the early 90s, my ex-wife rear ended me when we were both riding bikes I had bought to sell/export. She didnt think I would stop for the sign on a group ride we were on.

Notice I said ex-wife
 
Because there were 6 of us on bikes i paid for but didn't really own and weren't really insured.

Don't get me started!
 
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I had thought about this when @Mart UK made his comment you quoted. I decided he was correct that he got it right the first time (and thus I did too ;-) ) because of the price difference.
I have looked. Cheapest runner I've seen for sale in the UK at the moment is £43k, non matching, C Rapide. Neat looking, running Commandos, c.£8k. The Commando is incredible value in that comparison.
 
I've owned Commandos for the past 45 years. I owned a beautifully rebuilt
C Series Rapide for about 10 years which I sold about 10 years ago. I never
really liked the Vincent. Lots of people are amazed when I tell them I sold it,
do not miss the Vincent at all and would certainly not buy another Vincent
if I won the lottery.
 
The combined age of me, and one of my bikes that is in bits is some 133 years. I expect someone else to chime in and say they can beat that!
Nah! I can only get to 132! Couple of bits on each don't work, but neither me nor the bike is in bits this week!
 
The combined age of me, and one of my bikes that is in bits is some 133 years. I expect someone else to chime in and say they can beat that!
Me -69 years.
ES2- 72 years
total -141 years

or
Commando - 50 years so
total - 119 years
 
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