- Apr 20, 2011
Had a laught yesterday when the EUs Usurla Von der Layen said " The EU have not been slow in rolling out the vaccine , it's Great Britain that has been to fast"
I presented the excess deaths data in an attempt to answer earlier criticism of my post which made international comparisons which show the UK performance in handling the pandemic as being very poor. The number of excess deaths is a major indicator of how the UK government has completely mismanaged nearly every aspect of the pandemic. The only 'good' part is the vaccine supply and delivery which has been handled well and I hope it works.Andy as I’ve argued before and will continue to do so, yes you are quite right to point out that the govt did not follow sage advice at every step AND therefore locked us down later than sage would have liked.
But there are also those opposite, who advised against locking down when we did, and / or coming out of lock downs sooner, etc.
You are expressing dissatisfaction from ONE point of view. It is a fair point of view. But there are also others.
We should have closed all airport sooner say some. That’s not what the WHO said at the time and is not even what they’re saying now.
Govt has to try and balance all competing / conflicting inputs / priorities.
If we’d have obeyed sage every time we’d have been locked down none stop from last March to next summer!
If we’d listened to other we wouldn’t have locked down at all! (Not my belief at all BTW)
Govt has tried to find a balance as best they could at the time.
I’m just glad it wasn’t my job to call the shots!
No such thing as getting a reasonable balance as far as loss of human life is concerned.There’s always two sides though Andy...
First let me say, on the broader topic, you may well be correct, I do not know. Personally, I don’t think anyone knows. And we may never know!
Second, you do realise those graphs are from Q2 2020? That’s when we were in full lock down. How can an economy go from a very healthy / active state to one of FULL lock down and NOT expect an economic dip?! My only surprise is that is was ONLY 21%. If we look at the longer period the picture is somewhat different:
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But, even with those two pieces of data that you show as ‘proof’ there is another point of view, I would actually draw the opposite conclusion.
To me it shows just how impossible this situation has been. If the govt had locked down sooner / harder / more etc then the economic cost would have been exponentially worse. If they‘d done less the cost of life would have been worse. WHICHEVER way anyone says they should have gone more, the effect on the other would have been worse. In that way, it’s ‘proof’ the govt got a reasonable balance.
Note I said reasonable... ain‘t pretending it was / is perfect... but even there I know we’d disagree...
I do not agree that your list of stronger measures would have resulted in less economic impact at all. That would only have happened IF the virus could have been eradicated altogether. That was simply not possible because the virus was established here comfortably BEFORE anyone would have complemented locking down as you suggest.
However, IMO we could have done a lot more that would have allowed us to lock down less. In particular I think schools should have remained open more, I believe the potential human cost of this in years to come is something we haven’t yet even begun to comprehend.
Its very interesting IMHO what politicians get praised / criticised for. The NZ PM today explained they will start vaccinating soon, 2021 is the year of the vaccination she said and it will take them the whole year to vaccinate their population. That’s HALF as many people as the U.K. has done in less than two months... but there was no criticism.
No such thing as getting a reasonable balance as far as loss of human life is concerned.
There was 2,500 people per day coming into the UK durning the "pandemic " with no testing carried out to check if they were virus free.
Now the UK government wants to put all arrivals into hotels to enforce quarantine.
It's taken a rather long time, if I may say so, for the government to grasp what the word pandemic means!!!
It's as if they were almost sitting on their hands. The trouble now, is that is of very little use of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
The British public didn't help, there were people refusing to wear a face mask, throwing parties, and all sorts of shellaghas that has anyone looking on at trying to control this wave of a particular virus holding thir hands in despair.
Me neither.I've no idea why they make an announcement before it's put into place, but even with a PCR
result it gives an opportunity for some people to sneak in under the radar.
Bernhard, you appear to be suggesting that what the Chinese did was good.Useless bit of historical information, the Chinese welded up the doors of people's houses in Wuhan, but it has been done before (sort of) when the plague was rife in the 1600s Queen Elizabeth 1st imposed a 40 day curfew and would execute rule breakers.
It might have made people sit up and take notice!!Bernhard, you appear to be suggesting that what the Chinese did was good.
Welding. Citizens. Into. Buildings.
Might be worth just thinking about that for a moment. And perhaps considering deleting that post...?