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Since when is going from no 10/11 to the North end of London classed as local.
The PM could do 10 laps of Hyde Park as his daily exercise , now that is local.
Well therein lies the difficulty with the law as it stands, there is no specific definition of ‘local’. There seem to be two ways of looking at it, those that think it’s there to prevent the masses travelling hundreds of miles to gather at beauty spots, and those who think it means exercising outside your front door. I’m in the former, so travelling a few miles to a park doesn’t phase me.
 

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Honestly, my only surprise regarding such riots is that there haven‘t been more. That's not defending them, but I do believe that when you start impinging on people’s core needs, strange psychological consequences are largely inevitable (well it’s hardly my idea, see Maslow and Hertzberg et al). I suspect that there is such hope being pinned on the vaccines returning freedoms that if they don’t, there will indeed be an increase of such pent up frustrations.
 
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There appears to be a lot of changing of minds by the present government -now that there is a new strain of the coronavirus, the new one found in Kent is reported to be more deadly.
So, it seems highly likely that the present lockdown will go on much longer.
People will have to start adopting new ways tp get rid of their pent up feelings, it's people moving around that is spreading the virus.
 

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If these are the lock down rules they seem fairly standard.
I have to say if folk are finding these rules tough they would not have survived Victoria/AU.

 
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If these are the lock down rules they seem fairly standard.
I have to say if folk are finding these rules tough they would not have survived Victoria/AU.

Standard ? We wish !

They change so fast that that even the politicians implementing them have been caught out being unable to actually explain them!

Dunno how long your lock downs lasted in Victoria, but we’re in our third full lock down and even when we weren’t in lock down we still had varying degrees of restrictions. We’ll soon be a year in...
 
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Probably doesn't need adding, but the businesses gone t*ts up, jobs lost, education missed and the colossal debt are all something we should all worry about....
 

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Probably doesn't need adding, but the businesses gone t*ts up, jobs lost, education missed and the colossal debt are all something we should all worry about....
It worries me immensely. I don’t understand why more people aren’t more worried. Maybe I worry too much...
 
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I don't think it is possible to have a lockdown in the UK or the US in the same way as we did in Victoria. To me that probably means Australia will never return to any form of pre-Covid normality. The considerations about the economy will always over-ride concerns about people dying. If the UK and the US cannot get into control of the pandemic, we in Australia will be forced to continue hotel quarantines for all arrivals from overseas. That is probably unworkable. Our Australian economy is based on tourism and a ponzi scheme which is powered by money brought from overseas by people buying our houses.
In the end we might all have to simply accept a decimation of the global population.

'Your money or your life' ?
 

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Don’t get me started Ralph!

We have police here issuing fines because THEY THINK that someone’s actions are not ‘in the spirit of’ govt guidelines etc.

That‘s not their bloody job! Its their job to ENFORCE THE LAW and deal with those who break it. It’s not their job to decide on the spirit of things.

Then the chief copper comes on tv defending his men by saying ‘the laws and guidelines are complex’. That is not a defence. We are innocent until proven guilty, NOT the other way around, if the copper isn’t sure, if it’s not clear that a law has been broken, he doesn’t prosecute. Period!

Dozens of other similar stories.
Try arguing that "the laws are complex" in front of a judge...
 

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Honestly, my only surprise regarding such riots is that there haven‘t been more. That's not defending them, but I do believe that when you start impinging on people’s core needs, strange psychological consequences are largely inevitable (well it’s hardly my idea, see Maslow and Hertzberg et al). I suspect that there is such hope being pinned on the vaccines returning freedoms that if they don’t, there will indeed be an increase of such pent up frustrations.
Speaking of Maslow...

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Which should be the priority - the economy or public health ? In Australia, our federal government are situationalist managers, however our state industrial laws require the application of a risk management approach to safety. We are very far from being socialists, however we have a very good national health system. We are still struggling to cope with the pandemic.
 

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Which should be the priority - the economy or public health ?
I think almost every country is prioritising health over economy... to an extent. By definition, that’s what a lock down is.

Its not so easy though, you cannot separate the two. You wouldn’t have a good health service for very long if the economy wasn’t healthy enough to finance it.

And more generally, many studies link economy to public health.

You cannot separate the two. It is not an ‘either / or’ question, it is a question about degrees of compromise.
 
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local rum distiller here was hurting due to bar lockdown as ordered by our state Goobernator and so turned his stills to making hand cleanser/sanitizer and is raking in the dough
 

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Holy Cow, I just got a call from the Virginia dept of health and the wife and I are scheduled to get our Covid Vaccines Feb 2, next week. In Culpeper VA, it's a bit of a drive, but worth it to me.
Do tell us if either of you have any strange urges following doses...

 
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