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Trump did not say 'inject bleach', he said 'inject disinfectant'. - WHAT IS THAT ?
- You have got to be joking ! - 'Some things are so bad that they are good' ?
I am not a psychiatrist, but I still find Trump mildly interesting. What is more interesting, are the people who believe in him.
First he did not say that. But who cares about facts.
Can you tell me what chemotherapy is?
What is it?
How does it work?
 
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The difference is cancer, heart attacks, smoking, car accidents, etc. are not contagious diseases.
And if you have tested positive in the USA for Covid 19 and you die of any of those, or suicide, you are counted as a Covid 19 death, by the CDC.
Is that the same in other countries?

Of course no hospital would ever to this:

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

 

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Your own video proves he never suggested people inject themselves.
Maybe you should actually listen to what he said and ignore the headline.
Bullshit. Listen to the clip at 0:44 seconds "Is there a way we can do something like that, by injection..." - he is suggesting/recommending that "medical doctors" investigate that. Injecting fucking disinfectant. Come on.
 
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Is this world wide? or a single country?

Link to source please.
The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) collects and disseminates the Nation's official vital statistics. NCHS collects death certificate data from state vital statistics offices for virtually all deaths occurring in the United States.
 

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Another version of this chart, which has both these y-axis data sets combined into a single graphic.



 
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And if you have tested positive in the USA for Covid 19 and you die of any of those, or suicide, you are counted as a Covid 19 death, by the CDC.
Is that the same in other countries?

Of course no hospital would ever to this:

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

Certifiers are asked to use their best medical judgment based on the available information and their expertise. When a definitive diagnosis cannot be made, but the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty, certifiers may include the terms “probable” or “presumed” in the cause-of-death statement.

Cause of Death and COVID-19​

When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death on the death certificate, it is coded and counted as a death due to COVID-19. COVID-19 should not be reported on the death certificate if it did not cause or contribute to the death.


In the article you link, the same person quoted for the hypothetical that you pasted re. administrators also said that "he thinks the overall number of COVID-19 cases have been undercounted based on limitations in the number of tests available" and that "he didn't explicitly make that claim [that administrators were pushing for COVID-19 to be attached to death certificates]. He simply suggested there is an "avenue" to do so".

So, the only facts are that IF COVID-19 is cause of death, the compensation is (justifiably) higher due to the associated treatment costs.
 
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In the article you link, the same person quoted for the hypothetical that you pasted re. administrators also said that "he thinks the overall number of COVID-19 cases have been undercounted based on limitations in the number of tests available" and that "he didn't explicitly make that claim [that administrators were pushing for COVID-19 to be attached to death certificates]. He simply suggested there is an "avenue" to do so".
There is no "hypothetical" The payments are being made.
The number of cases is immaterial, as we are discussing payment based on deaths.
Of course the cases are undercounted, unless every person is tested everyday, they are always going to be undercounted
Of course no hospital admin would take advantage of the system, we all know that.
 
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Bullshit. Listen to the clip at 0:44 seconds "Is there a way we can do something like that...by injection..." - he is suggesting/recommending that "medical doctors" look at at that. Injecting fucking disinfectant. Come on.
No, he is ASKING the medical person that just gave a statement and is standing right there. You just quoted it "IS THERE A WAY?" NOT inject yourself.
He is NOT telling anyone to inject themselves.

What is chemotherapy ??
 
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Not all flus have vaccinations, just several strains annually. And not enough people get flu jabs.

Global Covid-19 deaths so far this year: 1.2M
A new vaccine is made each year based on what strain of flu is anticipated some years work better than others.
The same may happen with Covid 19, I do not know if that is known yet.
in what country did covid 19 start?
Did that country warn other countries or lie about it?
 
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Using your link, looks like the peak of 28% is going down, it is shown at 7.6%, for the week shown, is that what you are trying to show?

Based on NCHS mortality surveillance data available on October 22, 2020, 7.6% of the deaths occurring during the week ending October 17, 2020 (week 42) were due to pneumonia, influenza, and COVID-19 (PIC). This percentage is above the epidemic threshold of 5.8% for week 42.
 

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No, he is ASKING the medical person that just gave a statement and is standing right there. You just quoted it "IS THERE A WAY?" NOT inject yourself.
He is NOT telling anyone to inject themselves.

What is chemotherapy ??
It is not what is commonly known as disinfectant.
 

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A new vaccine is made each year based on what strain of flu is anticipated some years work better than others.
The same may happen with Covid 19, I do not know if that is known yet.
in what country did covid 19 start?
Did that country warn other countries or lie about it?
It doesnt matter where COVID-19 started, that is a red herring.

Traditional flu shots are trivalent, or three-component, vaccines. This means that they protect against three viruses: two influenza A viruses, H1N1 and H3N2, and one influenza B virus. The specific viruses in an annual shot depend on which are likely to circulate during that year's flu season.
 

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Using your link, looks like the peak of 28% is going down, it is shown at 7.6%, for the week shown, is that what you are trying to show?

Based on NCHS mortality surveillance data available on October 22, 2020, 7.6% of the deaths occurring during the week ending October 17, 2020 (week 42) were due to pneumonia, influenza, and COVID-19 (PIC). This percentage is above the epidemic threshold of 5.8% for week 42.
No. Look at the peaks and durations for influenza coded deaths over the last four years. Now look at the peaks for COVID-19.

That, coupled with the 1.2M deaths from COVID-19 paint a picture that does not support the hypothesis that the pandemic is not as dangerous or can be likened to seasonal flu.

Different animal with different containment and treatment profiles. And likely a different immunization strategy is needed - though these were not my original point.
 

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No, he is ASKING the medical person that just gave a statement and is standing right there. You just quoted it "IS THERE A WAY?" NOT inject yourself.
He is NOT telling anyone to inject themselves.
Today's Logical Fallacy is.... Equivocation!

(Semantics, Splitting Hairs, Playing With Words, or Using Legalisms, Fallacy of Equivocation, Doublespeak)

This fallacy occurs when someone uses the inherent ambiguity in a word to manipulate the audience by suggesting that a word means something that it doesn’t, often by allowing the meaning of a word to change during the argument and thus invalidating the conclusion. Equivocations are common in the American legal system, newspaper headlines, and anti-science arguments. They are also very effective in humor and satire.

This is very often part of an appeal to emotion; many words have strong emotional connotations, and by suggesting an incorrect meaning, the arguer is manipulating the audience into reacting emotionally based on the meaning that they are implying.


The video starts with Trump talking about using light to treat COVID-19, and says, "“So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you’re into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn’t been checked but you’re gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you’re gonna test that too, sounds interesting."

Right, so the President is telling the staff present to remember what they were to do. Stuff that he "find to be pretty interesting".

And then he says, "And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that. "

Again, this is the President talking to/ looking at his subordinates, that is, telling them to investigate injecting disinfectant to help clean out the lungs. Which is so on the surface stupid as all get out, that even you are arguing he couldn't possibly have meant that. Though, that is what the video and the transcript says.

Oh, and to see how chemotherapy differs from disinfectant (since you dont seem clear on this) read up here - https://www.cancer.org/treatment/tr...chemotherapy/how-chemotherapy-drugs-work.html
 
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Queensland COVID-19 statistics - Population 5.11 million.​

Last updated: midday 27 October 2020 - 0 New cases (last 24h) - 1,167 Total cases - 1,219,570 Total tests - 6 Total lives lost.

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I can only hope things improve in other parts of the world.
It looks like the borders here which have been shut for most of this year will open within a week maybe sooner.

I will service my Africa Twin, pack my panniers this week and be at the ready.
 
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Latest onfo from the Imperial college of London is that levels of anti bodies in people wane " quite rapidly " after concornivirus infection . They say that, according to their research, that people who had the virus previously, their immunity appears to be fading and there is a risk of catching the virus multiple times.
Are you listening Trump? - You ain't seen nothing yet!
 
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