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The difference is cancer, heart attacks, smoking, car accidents, etc. are not contagious diseases.

That is true, which does enhance the fear factor of it, I agree.

But it’s also very helpful to us. We DO know it’s airborne and contagious, so we can act on the information. We DO know that overall health and the robustness of our immune system has a MASSIVE effect on both catching it, and whether or not it becomes serious, so we can act on that knowledge too.

But being contagious doesn’t change the statistics or likelihood. The fact remains that you are still FAR more likely to die of cancer than COVID (and sadly that is increasing currently as detection and treatment is lessened by COVID measures). And it’s far more difficult to take conclusive action against.

That doesn’t make COVID any less bad, but it does provide perspective.
 

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"He admitted in the interview it was political ambition. He saw a growing movement online and, in my view, instead of using his privileged role and voice in parliament to help those people understand the facts and science, he chose to drive the hysteria and fear for another crack at power.

Variations of this story have been playing out all over the world. A global pandemic is unfortunately a petri dish for anxiety and misinformation, but it’s also brought the world together in a way I could never have foreseen in my lifetime. That’s probably why the interview resonated in the way it did. We are unified in wanting each other to be safe."


 

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I think by March 2021 on people will be sick of the loss of freedom and big business will be over the loss of revenue so folk will start doing activities like it never happened.

I would like to ride through Iran but before I get to old (being 61 since Friday)
Qantas stated they could not see flights to the UK and USA before the end of 2021, we will see.
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Instead of the morons that were rioting and burning things, I believe the older generation will be the next to revolt and want international travel as the clock is ticking. (A little like the demise of the Berlin Wall)
 

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Anyone notice China seems to get no mention these days as does ISIS who I can only assume initiated a stay at home policy early in the year (until further notice)
 

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I think by March 2021 on people will be sick of the loss of freedom and big business will be over the loss of revenue so folk will start doing activities like it never happened.

I would like to ride through Iran but before I get to old (being 61 since Friday)
Qantas stated they could not see flights to the UK and USA before the end of 2021, we will see.
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Instead of the morons that were rioting and burning things, I believe the older generation will be the next to revolt and want international travel as the clock is ticking. (A little like the demise of the Berlin Wall)
I believe the push back has now started. We might call the current rioters morons etc but I do believe they represent the beginning of a more general wave.
 
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The push back, Wales is the only part of the UK in full lockdown, with just 24hrs notice supermarkets were told not to sell unessential items including clothes.

So cue one man protest


A man visited a Welsh supermarket wearing just his underpants in response to government restrictions on the sale of non-essential items.
 

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The push back, Wales is the only part of the UK in full lockdown, with just 24hrs notice supermarkets were told not to sell unessential items including clothes.

So cue one man protest


A man visited a Welsh supermarket wearing just his underpants in response to government restrictions on the sale of non-essential items.

The whole concept of essential / none essential is just an impossible can of worms. Who the hell decides what is / is not essential to YOU.

If your roof is leaking, then DIY materials are essential. If it’s cold, warm clothes are essential. If you’re studying, books are essential. Etc, etc, etc.

Making someone a criminal for buying a pair of jeans, or a book, etc is stupid. It is exactly the kind of thing that is going to make people revolt.

Rules need to be clearly necessary if you want people to follow them. ‘Wear a mask because it reduces spread of this air borne virus’ is something people can understand. ‘Don’t buy jeans because we say so’ is most certainly not.

Nietzsche said “He who has a why can endure any how”. Think about it, that applies 100% to lock down rules.

I argue that the opposite is equally true...
 
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The whole concept of essential / none essential is just an impossible can of worms. Who the hell decides what is / is not essential to YOU.

If your roof is leaking, then DIY materials are essential. If it’s cold, warm clothes are essential. If you’re studying, books are essential. Etc, etc, etc.

Making someone a criminal for buying a pair of jeans, or a book, etc is stupid. It is exactly the kind of thing that is going to make people revolt.

Rules need to be clearly necessary if you want people to follow them. ‘Wear a mask because it reduces spread of this air borne virus’ is something people can understand. ‘Don’t buy jeans because we say so’ is most certainly not.

Nietzsche said “He who has a why can endure any how”. Think about it, that applies 100% to lock down rules.

I argue that the opposite is equally true...
I believe the reasoning behind the 'non essential' ban was/is because many other shops that sell only these items are not allowed to open at all, so this WILL be their death knell.... Just another covid casualty!
 
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I believe the reasoning behind the 'non essential' ban was/is because many other shops that sell only these items are not allowed to open at all, so this WILL be their death knell.... Just another covid casualty!
They are dead either way as they are shut regardless of which shelves are covered in a Supermarket.
 
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I think by March 2021 on people will be sick of the loss of freedom and big business will be over the loss of revenue so folk will start doing activities like it never happened.

I would like to ride through Iran but before I get to old (being 61 since Friday)
Qantas stated they could not see flights to the UK and USA before the end of 2021, we will see.
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Instead of the morons that were rioting and burning things, I believe the older generation will be the next to revolt and want international travel as the clock is ticking. (A little like the demise of the Berlin Wall)
Me - I think by March 2021 on, people will be sick of the loss of lives and start to act sensibly to avoid death. I don't like wearing a mask - but I do it.
 

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Not when there are so many people who try to dismiss the whole thing.
Not to mention, to little to late, rolling lock now as Melbourne has proven is just that.
All I can do is the right thing by me which by default is right by everyone else.

As already posted.
Seen no family since January.
The Golf GTI filled up maybe 4 times this year (Fuel sitting at the 3/4 mark right now and payed my $1000+ Registration/Ins last week) I had to replace the battery a few months ago (coincidence perhaps)
DCT Africa Twin sat so long, when they removed the 16 km limit from home rule, it would not select Drive without multiple engine restarts until back in some form of regular use.
All year I have gone to the supermarket later at night.
Social engagements beyond the island I live on under 10.
The worst being the school mate getting Covid shortly after getting to the US and passing away .
Etc etc etc.

I watched the world news last night, shrugged and changed the channel only to see all the corruption nationally.
You can only do your part as an adult and solider on in general.

The meatheads (Archie Bunker content) will have to figure it out for themselves but there will be a lot of people suffering worldwide one way or another without having Covid19.

What I have noticed nationally is most cases are from quarantine and that suggests those people have arrived from beyond our borders with I believe 25000 people waiting to return from overseas.
I see 13 woman who were removed from a plane returning to AU from Qatar had their underwear removed in an ambulance on the tarmac to see who had given birth that day.
No doubt they will go into quarantine when they arrive which is necessary but will be no doubt an extra ordeal for them.
2021 will be the decider one way or another.
 
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Me - I think by March 2021 on, people will be sick of the loss of lives and start to act sensibly to avoid death. I don't like wearing a mask - but I do it.

If deaths spiral you might be right.

But I still predict growing resentment. And it’s not gonna be about mask wearing FFS! I’m talking about people who’ll be tired of losing their livelihoods and homes and seeing their kids futures going down the toilet due to hard lockdowns, whilst they can see NO clear link between the destruction of their lives and any meaningful effect / impact / benefit.

Continued hard lockdowns WILL cause the above. I cannot see people just sitting back and not complaining...
 
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people who’ll be tired of losing their livelihoods and homes and seeing their kids futures going down the toilet due to hard lockdowns, whilst they can see NO clear link between the destruction of their lives and any meaningful effect / impact / benefit.

Hey! We had all that stuff before COVID!
 

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I'm being sarcastic.

Although,
Wage stagnation, destruction of the middle class, decreasing quality of life and increased cost of living come to mind... At least in the states.
 
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Having just lost on points to the automated phone system of one of our major utilities companies, I know full well where my place is in the grand scheme of things is...... :-(
 
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I'm being sarcastic.

Although,
Wage stagnation, destruction of the middle class, decreasing quality of life and increased cost of living come to mind... At least in the states.
In Australia, it has always been fashionable to do social climbing. However, now all avenues have been closed. Even if you get the best university degree, there are very few avenues for advancement. When I was young, getting ahead was difficult - now it is impossible. It is all a result of globalisation, economic rationalism and neoliberal individualism. 'Winners are grinners', but what about the rest ?
Covid 19 and Trump are both the moment of truth. Time to stop and think ? There is one certainty in life - 'change will happen'.
 
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'If you have a victim's mindset, you will be a victim' The ancient Greeks had soothsayers who got paid to foretell the future - none of their prophesies were ever immutable. Any one of us can change our future if we refuse to accept bullshit..
 
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I think she likely misspoke. Like everyone does, occasionally.

You are right, it was "disinfectant", not bleach, that Trump suggested injecting. I wouldnt think i would want to try that anymore than bleach.

Your own video proves he never suggested people inject themselves.
Maybe you should actually listen to what he said and ignore the headline.
 
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