- Apr 20, 2011
It's Boris new infallible test and trace system!!!!
I think she likely misspoke. Like everyone does, occasionally.That is a great joke 220 million died. Sure she was.
Never said inject bleach.
Not sure exactly what % you are referring to and where your stats are from?But I still view the fatality rate as fortunately low given our significant lack of meaningful defence against this thing.
In absolute terms we are still looking at very low numbers of infected people, and a 0.5% fatality rate of those who do catch it, the vast majority of those being ‘vulnerable‘ people with pre existing conditions.
Re; "South of 1%"Trouble with those stats is that the cases is understated due to asymptomatic cases going undetected. The UK is a prime example, once the numbers started to go too high testing was restricted and even symptomatic cases were ignored, only hospital admissions were tested for a few months until the testing volumes were increased. The real figure for deaths is south of 1%.
No, he means south.Re; "South of 1%"
Don't you mean North of 1%?
There are a lot of unrecorded cases that the authorities haven't acknowledged. . . . . .
I agree that it is hard to understand the actual veracity of the reported data, vis a vis the totals including unreported cases. But, it is the best info we have.Trouble with those stats is that the cases is understated due to asymptomatic cases going undetected. The UK is a prime example, once the numbers started to go too high testing was restricted and even symptomatic cases were ignored, only hospital admissions were tested for a few months until the testing volumes were increased. The real figure for deaths is south of 1%.
Even using those distorted global figures, you’ve got something like a 0.05% chance of catching it. And if you do catch it, a 0.2% chance of dying from it. Which I think is a total risk of 0.01% (maths is not my strong point so a stand prepared to be corrected). But as Kommando eludes to, in reality it is much lower than that.
But, of course, that’s just the averages, the problem with averages is they’re ‘wrong’ for everybody!
In reality there is a massive skew, as we already know, the risk is much lower than above for the young, and much higher for the old. Below are the figures for England, which I believe supports the argument that people below 50 and in good health should be allowed to get back to as much (safe) normality as possible. People 50 to 65 should exercise caution. People over 75 should exercise extreme caution.
I was going to say people above 75 should self isolate, but my neighbour VIGOROUSLY corrected me on this recently, she is in her 80s and in good health, and her very strong point was “I don’t have many good years left, I’ll be buggered if I’m going to spend them under house arrest through fear of death which is coming soon anyway”.
And countries with older populations are always going to be hit hardest when the virus kills the over 65's. Hence one of the reasons for the 2nd waves not to be as lethal as the first, the care homes are already cleared out of the vulnerable. The UK flu death rate is also down this winter so far for the same reason, covid got to the vulnerable to flu first.Which also makes sense against my 0.05% global figure as the U.K. has it worse than average for sure.
If you are over 50 and have school age kids or grandkids who go to school, beware. I am 57 and have seven year old twins, so I dont say this lightly.
Remember its not Ebola or anything close to Ebola.
As mentioned many times, my father was R.A.A.F in WW2 as was my step father (R.N.Z.A.F) .. I'm not sure they served for any political reason, more so for doing what needed to be done and to repel a force that liked chopping peoples heads off in conquest.
(As had happened, rape and murder in China in the 1930's)
I would be very surprised if when asked, why are you here lad, the answer was... In the name of democracy Sir, chocks away.
What government had done back in those days was send young lads over the wall or at the machine guns with no remorse, chosen cities to be bombed with the targets being civilians but that is long ago and the world learned from that.
I still remember a school mate from the 1970's who's father (Army/WW2) had served in Europe and still had then (R.I.P) nightmares of the tanks but assume based on his survival relied on stab, shoot, maim or kill over democracy.
Those millions who died got us a fresh start (once again) that we all but squandered.
My SF told me about Hiroshima from being there.
Lest we Forget, I will never forget.
Maybe some of the bums in world politics should be reminded of the sacrifice of millions.
Government is elected to represent the voice of the electorate, to run ones country in a manner beneficial to that country and its people, to be done with pride and integrity, without bias or treason.... Now think of that and think of the leaders of the world and their political parties.
Then think of the people who vote for the sake of voting.
No one said it was easy or logical.
2020 to 2025 will be interesting to say the least as far as our global direction and stability as a race.
The difference is cancer, heart attacks, smoking, car accidents, etc. are not contagious diseases.Well, I’m 52 and have a 10 and 12 year old at school. I also travel a lot with work. Add all that to being in the U.K. and that puts me at a significantly higher risk than you in NZ. Not sure what that means, but perhaps it’s a little comfort factor for you?
I fully agree that this virus is a bastard and seriously wish it would go away. I just think we are in danger of getting into an unhelpful panic about it.
In the U.K. cancer is responsible for 28% of all deaths. Which, is 165,000 per year, or .25% of the population, or 5 times more than COVID.
In fact, Corona Virus is not even in the top 10 causes of death in the U.K. So there are still at least 10 other things we should genuinely be more concerned about.
All we can do is do what we can do. We are all hand washing, mask wearing, distancing. Personally, I also isolate from family if I’ve been travelling with work until getting tested, so far I’ve had 4 tests (all negative). But I’ve also massively cut down on alcohol, increased exercise and take increased daily dosages of Vit C and D amongst other stuff.
It may or may not be enough, but I’m putting the odds slightly more in my favour.