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When did we get sucked into railing against Cuomo?
Here is a far more informed and balanced article than any breitbart or Fox garbage.

https://khn.org/news/is-cuomo-direc...sing-home-covid-deaths-as-us-official-claims/

This is such old news....
There is not another person who did more wrong moves and then denied doing them.

 

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I agree with much of that Andy.

What I do not agree with is being prepared to borrow WW2 levels of money for this virus. Why? Because it took many generations to pay off the WW2 debt, whereas we get new viruses every few years. And make no mistake, we will get more new ones in years to come. It took 60 years to pay off the WW2 debt, we simply do not know how many virus outbreaks we’ll have in the next 60 years, or how serious they will be.

Also, please let’s not lose sight of the scale of the debt, WW2 bankrupted this country. Had there been another WW in 1950 we’d have been impotent. But here and now, we do have to be aware there will be more viruses in future.

So, whilst we are in a war now, my version would be that we are in a war against viruses... but COVID 19 is not the war... it’s just the current battle.

COVID 19 is bad. It kills people and is contagious, BUT the vast majority of people have not got / had it. And the vast majority of those that do, do not get serious complications or die. BUT... the next virus may be far more contagious and far more deadly. We therefore cannot empty the war chest on the current battle.

My final point is about keeping industry and the economy going, it’s not only about money actually. Our supply chains are long and complex these days. If we want hospitals to run, electricity / gas / water to flow, houses to live in, roads to drive on, functioning vehicles to drive / ride, food to reach the shelves, etc, etc... industry needs to function.
Industry makes society (as we know it) possible.
Thanks for responding Fast Eddie.
I have a different view - that's just the way it is.
My background is in a variety of jobs but I am originally a biologist and statistician.
I understand viruses and this one is scary. It is very persistent - lipid coat, i.e. fat/oil coat to protect it - oh no not an oil thread! And is highly infectious and deadly.
I agree there may be more viruses on the horizon but this is the here and now.
We are definitely in for a bad winter in the UK. We need a Churchill, Attlee & Bevan what we have is a Government full of know nothing Chamberlains.
I shed the tiers of a clown (copyright John Crace).
Andy
 

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Yes, we have a different view of the same thing.

Again, I agree, this virus is armed with attack and defence mechanisms unkike those we are used to (hence the man-made conspiracy theories), so it’s a bad boy alright.

But I still view the fatality rate as fortunately low given our significant lack of meaningful defence against this thing.

In absolute terms we are still looking at very low numbers of infected people, and a 0.5% fatality rate of those who do catch it, the vast majority of those being ‘vulnerable‘ people with pre existing conditions.

My thinking is that purely by the grace of God we are not facing a virus that infects 50-60-70% of the population... and has a similar fatality rate !

But the next one might...
 
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How about the last one? 2009-2010

Not as deadly as the covid 19 but many more people infected in the USA

These are the USA ONLY stats.

While a monovalent (H1N1)pdm09 vaccine was produced, it was not available in large quantities until late November—after the peak of illness during the second wave had come and gone in the United States. From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

 

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The researchers found that 71% of infected individuals did not infect any of their contacts, while a mere 8% of infected individuals accounted for 60% of new infections.

“Our study presents the largest empirical demonstration of superspreading that we are aware of in any infectious disease,” Laxminarayan said. “Superspreading events are the rule rather than the exception when one is looking at the spread of COVID-19...

The researchers also reported, however, the first large-scale evidence that the implementation of a countrywide shutdown in India led to substantial reductions in coronavirus transmission.


Statewide estimates of the time-varying reproduction number Rt, describing the number of secondary infections each infected individual would be expected to generate (23), declined from a range of 1.7-3.0 in Tamil Nadu and 1.4-4.3 in Andhra Pradesh over the period of 10-23 March to a range of 1.0-1.3 in both states by the third week of the initial country-wide lockdown...



 
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I could spend time on the viral transmission ineffectiveness of the variety of face coverings and fitted masks based upon the material, pore size, non-fit, etc., as well as the studies. I will say that there has been only ONE type of mask, the SURGICAL mask, which has shown any ability to reduce, not eliminate, virus transmission because it is actually rated to a 100 nanometer pore size AND it is rated for ingress and egress. But, the SURGICAL mask is not intended for use outside of a controlled, sterile hospital surgical field where its use and function can be controlled. It has limitations.
 

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I found this perspective interesting although we did have quite stringent lock down or travel distance ( 16 kms / 10 miles) limitations early in the year here in Australia. (Or some parts)


I thought some was a little severe (getting to personal, but most likely from concern for loved ones back in the USA) and looked at it as global more than any singular region beyond this one,.

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Spain has become the first EU country to have a faltal death rate of one milllion from CORONAVIRUS..
Looks like it's ploughing on. . . .
 
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Spain has become the first EU country to have a faltal death rate of one milllion from CORONAVIRUS..
Looks like it's ploughing on. . . .
one million is worldwide, not just Spain




Spain​

Coronavirus Cases:​

1,090,521

Deaths:​

34,521

Cases overview
Spain
Total cases
1.01M
+20,986
Recovered
150K
Deaths
34,366
+155
Worldwide
Total cases
41.5M
Recovered
28.2M
Deaths
1.14M
 
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Cases overview
Spain
Total cases
1.01M
+20,986
Recovered
150K
Deaths
34,366
+155

Just an observation: No mention of 900,000 'Not sure' or 'Undecided'.. Nor the number with no health issues but suffering through social, mental and financial deprivation..... (Not that I feel overly sorry for a population with a history of throwing donkeys off tall buildings or having animal slaughter as a national sport)
But the bottom line is these statistics are just a small corner of a much bigger picture...
 
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Yes, we have a different view of the same thing.

Again, I agree, this virus is armed with attack and defence mechanisms unkike those we are used to (hence the man-made conspiracy theories), so it’s a bad boy alright.

But I still view the fatality rate as fortunately low given our significant lack of meaningful defence against this thing.

In absolute terms we are still looking at very low numbers of infected people, and a 0.5% fatality rate of those who do catch it, the vast majority of those being ‘vulnerable‘ people with pre existing conditions.

My thinking is that purely by the grace of God we are not facing a virus that infects 50-60-70% of the population... and has a similar fatality rate !

But the next one might...
As I understand it, the virus mutates every time it infects someone. So what it becomes is probably very random. Apparently the Spanish Flue mutated itself out of existence. But that does not mean extinction of the virus will always be the outcome. Normal influenza arrives each year slightly modified and still kills the vulnerable. It took a long time to get a vaccine and we always need updates. If Covid 19 is similar but the minor effects are worse - where will we be ?. If it killed everyone who is susceptible, we might get 'herd immunity', because only the strongest will survive to breed.
 
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Ninety wastewater treatment sites in England, Wales and Scotland will start testing more sewage for coronavirus.
The aim is to create an early warning system to detect local outbreaks before they spread.
Scientists established earlier this year that fragments of the virus genetic material could be identified in human waste.
This means that, unless you have your own septic tank or go outside and dig a hole everytime you want a crap they will be observing you. So, pretty soon technology will advance to fart wind meters where they will know who and when someone accidentally passes wind! Looks like I will have to lay off the baked beans, and I've just gone out and brought 4 cans before I heard the news. . . .
 
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Dan, she's just being a sarcastic joker!
Like when Donald told us all to inject bleach!
Donald is a worry. But he was democratically elected and resembles those who elected him. But don't feel bad - we have those in Australia, too. Rupert Murdoch encourages and promotes them.
 
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Ninety wastewater treatment sites in England, Wales and Scotland will start testing more sewage for coronavirus.
The aim is to create an early warning system to detect local outbreaks before they spread.
Scientists established earlier this year that fragments of the virus genetic material could be identified in human waste.
This means that, unless you have your own septic tank or go outside and dig a hole everytime you want a crap they will be observing you. So, pretty soon technology will advance to fart wind meters where they will know who and when someone accidentally passes wind! Looks like I will have to lay off the baked beans, and I've just gone out and brought 4 cans before I heard the news. . . .
 
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