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"61% of all the counties in the U.S. have been visited by someone who attended Sturgis, creating a travel hub that was comparable to a major U.S. city. "

“Imagine trying to do contact tracing for the entire city of [Washington,] D.C., but you also know that you don’t have any distancing, or the distancing is very, very limited, the masking is limited,” said Navin Vembar, who co-founded Camber Systems. “It all adds up to a very dangerous situation for people all over the place. Contact tracing becomes dramatically difficult.”

Remember the old saw about "no helmet, no brains to protect"?
 

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Had my first COVID-19 test yesterday. Not too uncomfortable swabbing, I have had more intrusive procedures done. (Cough, cough).

Results this am - Negative.
 
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I think all the lockdowns and testing have achieved in Australia, has been to slow down the rate at which people are going to hospital. So the hospitals can cope and fewer people die. But it is impossible to prove a negative - that what might have happened did not happen because of government actions.
 
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Just keep on taking the Vit D tablets and eat them like smarties if you show any symptoms.


Results

50 patients treated with calcifediol (the final form of Vit D, it takes 3 to 4 days between taking a D3 tablet and the body creating it into calcifediol)

One required admission to the ICU (2%),

Of 26 untreated patients, 13 required admission (50%)

p  less than 0.001

Of the patients treated with calcifediol, none died, and all were discharged, without complications

Of the patients not treated, 2 died


52, 405 infected patients

524, 050 controls

Greater incidence of COVID-19 with lower vitamin D levels

Highest infection prevalence with lowest vitamin D levels

A significant protective effect in those who had supplemented over the previous 4 months
 

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A Guy I’ve been working with tested positive for Covid. One guy had been lift sharing with him every day, eating breakfast and dinner together every day (remote contract) etc.

Everyone who had been working with him tested negative. Quite surprising really especially given how contagious we are told this thing is.

But... we’ve all been super disciplined with regards to masks, trying to maintain a 1.5m distance and constant hand sanitising.

I can only conclude that these three things work.

Which is good to know !
 
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A Guy I’ve been working with tested positive for Covid. One guy had been lift sharing with him every day, eating breakfast and dinner together every day (remote contract) etc.

Everyone who had been working with him tested negative. Quite surprising really especially given how contagious we are told this thing is.

But... we’ve all been super disciplined with regards to masks, trying to maintain a 1.5m distance and constant hand sanitising.

I can only conclude that these three things work.

Which is good to know !
Or it was a false Positive.
 

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Good question, and one I suspected myself, but he did have pretty much ‘text book’ symptoms too.

Still not 100% definitive though I know.
 
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Trouble is, most could spin this any which way to suit their own agenda. I'm guessing Noel Gallagher would say that it's not as f*cking contagious as we've been lead to believe on this example....
 

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A bloke at work has been off self isolating along with his family because he had covid symptoms
So he went and had the test and the results were negative
But they won't let him back to work until the whole family are tested and come back negative
Even though he has followed government guidelines
So now he is trying to get his whole family tested, even though they haven't been out!
The thing is we do not get sick pay
Many have big mortgages and mouths to feed
You can bet anyone with symptoms will just keep quiet now
 

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The testing system is f*cked Baz. Your mates family are going to have to lie and say they have symptoms if they want to get tested. Otherwise the process won’t let them apply. Even then it could be several days before they get an appointment and they could be sent many miles away.

A mate just went through all this, spent nearly a week booking, waiting, getting tested, waiting for results... only to be told the test was inconclusive !

Your mate shudda told the bosses he had isolated from family. Which is what he should have actually done, as far as it’s possible to do so.

You‘re so right with your last sentence... they are making it so hard, and causing such hardship to those who own up to having symptoms, it is very obvious folk are gonna start to keep quite and risk it...
 

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Not so fast:
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A woman wearing a protective mask and giving the thumbs up sign in front of the flag of Sweden

Despite never implementing a full-scale lockdown, Sweden has managed to flatten its curve, prompting its health leadership to claim victory -- but others question the cost of the strategy, as the country has a far higher death toll than its Scandinavian neighbors.

In late July, Sweden's 7-day moving average of new cases was about 200, down from a peak of around 1,140 in mid-June. Its daily death totals have been in the single digits for two weeks, well below its mid-April peak of 115 deaths in a single day.

However, on a per-capita basis, Sweden far outpaces its Scandinavian neighbors in COVID deaths, with 567 deaths per million people compared with Denmark's 106 deaths per million, Finland's 59 deaths per million, and Norway's 47 deaths per million. The Swedish figure is closer to Italy's 581 deaths per million.

While the positive trends have led Anders Tegnell, PhD, chief epidemiologist at the Swedish Public Health Agency and architect of Sweden's coronavirus strategy, to state that the "Swedish strategy is working," others have criticized the approach, including two dozen Swedish academics who published a recent USA Today editorial.

"In Sweden, the strategy has led to death, grief, and suffering," they wrote. "On top of that, there are no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better than in many other countries. At the moment, we have set an example for the rest of the world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease."

The Swedish Public Health Agency has not openly stated that herd immunity was its goal, though many suspect this was the intention. Tegnell told reporters last week he thought the recent trends indicated that immunity was now widespread in the country. But with rates of antibody positivity around 10%, that seems impossible. (Officials at the agency did not respond to MedPage Today's request for comment.)

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Sweden’s deaths per capita is ahead of its neighbours AT THE MOMENT.

The whole theory of flattening the curve isn’t to try and prevent Covid deaths per se, its to slow cases to a steadier and manageable level, thus not over burdening the health service, thus allowing the health service a better chance to treat victims and reduce deaths that way.

The Swedish argument is to NOT judge them now, but to compare the situation in 12-24 months time.

Their argument is that other countries will suffer other spikes as they come out of lock downs, which will trigger more lock downs, which will cause more spikes, in a repeating cycle, and death rates will continue over time and be comparable with (or more than) their own at the end.

We’ll simply have to wait and see.
 
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The first page had it mostly correct with the exception of failing to stipulate the vintage motorcycles must be English. The fumes, light to middling coating of filthy hydrocarbons, burnt & unburnt, are beneficial in prevention of developing/spreading the virus. I ride my aging 850 at every opportunity and lead my life much as I did prior to this BS from china, and my extraordinary piece of old English craftmanship has aided & protected my health along my every endeavor. Have faith guys. Clean healthy habits, good diet, exercise, plenty of vitamins, and a proper lowered stress state of mind shall carry you through this.
 
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The first page had it mostly correct with the exception of failing to stipulate the vintage motorcycles must be English. The fumes, light to middling coating of filthy hydrocarbons, burnt & unburnt, are beneficial in prevention of developing/spreading the virus. I ride my aging 850 at every opportunity and lead my life much as I did prior to this BS from china, and my extraordinary piece of old English craftmanship has aided & protected my health along my every endeavor. Have faith guys. Clean healthy habits, good diet, exercise, plenty of vitamins, and a proper lowered stress state of mind shall carry you through this.
So does that make Andover the new Lourdes? Or should it be Woolwich, Bracebridge Street or Donnington even? Perhaps I could let the neighbours spend a few minutes in the garage for a small donation :)
 
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