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I rode from South of Denver almost all the way to S Dakota yesterday. As I traveled up through Wyoming everyone was wearing masks and being super careful. Stopped for a burger in Cheyenne and all were self distancing and wearing masks, all good. As I got closer to S Dakota there were bikes everywhere. All on the way to Sturgis. I had to stop to fuel up near S. Dakota. It was complete chaos nobody was wearing a mask, no self distancing. I took hand sanitizer with me and washed my hands in it after each refuel and wore my mask. So Sturgis is going to be a breeding place of Covid for sure.

It was hotter than hell. Most of the way outbound 90F and on the way back over 100F, I saw 102F 38+C for a few hours.

What have I learned:
1) I need a different helmet for this kind of riding.
2) Never go to Sturgis even on a good day (not my thing).
3) Need to get out on the Norton in the local mountains. That's such a different kind of ride.

The Harley was brilliant. 90 MPH most of the way. Very comfortable. This is what its designed for.

Oh and Nigel I might have ridden 600+ miles in one day, but I can guarantee you 60 miles where you live would be 200% nicer scenery and roads.

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I went in '09 and it was so crowded, it took all day to go 100 miles. Could have kept up on a bicycle. Loud pipes were busy saving lives 24/7. 2 years later, I was in the area and rode 368 miles in a day, saw all the monuments and did a lot of scenic twisty roads. I would go back in a heartbeat, but not at Rally time, not under any circumstances, not to mention the current deadly ones.
 

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I went in '09 and it was so crowded, it took all day to go 100 miles. Could have kept up on a bicycle. Loud pipes were busy saving lives 24/7. 2 years later, I was in the area and rode 368 miles in a day, saw all the monuments and did a lot of scenic twisty roads. I would go back in a heartbeat, but not at Rally time, not under any circumstances, not to mention the current deadly ones.
yes I would like to go outside of the rally as well. Also, when its not as hot.
 

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I was born in Minneapolis and have lots of family in Fargo, Bismarck and small towns in North Dakota. I have driven thru the Dakotas in all times of the year, blizzards to 105F.

There is a reason it is called the Badlands.
 
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The Harley riders who are going to Sturgis know that the so called "science" behind the spread of the Covid virus defies common sense, just like the so called "science" that claims that if you drop a 900 lb Harley from a highway overpass it wont fall faster than 900 lb of feathers.
 
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One 93 year old age woman was photographed on her Balmoral estate yesterday, just to prove she was out and about, very easy to recognize, she was wearing Tartan with a red jumper.
Like the rest of the OAPs she is still shielding from other people, and not joining the English coast invasion like Bournemouth and others every time there is a heatwave.
 

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Friredrich Hayek’c ‘Constitution of Liberty’ is pretty much the bible of neoliberal individualism. It mentions the ‘law of unintended consequences’, which if read a certain way, comes down to Voltaire’s ‘everything happens for the best’. I believe that if some difficult things never happened, change would never happen. Life is a learning experience. However,without experience learning is much more difficult.
 
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I doubt the Cheyenne, Crow, Kiawa, or Pawnee are very happy with the Sioux, since the Sioux drove them all out of their ancestral homes in the black hills in the late 1700's by killing their ancestors... Every culture has sinned against another culture. There's nothing about the Sioux's claim to the black hills territory that those other tribes, who were displaced by genocidal force, would agree was "special". The Sioux's tribal racism is just like everyone elses racism, just historically less well known.

As far as going to Sturgis, I'm pretty anti-social in general, so I wouldn't go for the shitshow of the rally week. As far as the mask wearing goes, I wear it in populated public places out of respect for people who believe it's essential. The great wonder of mask wearing is whether the mask physically blocks transmission as much as the symbolic wearing of a mask reminds people to continue to practice social distancing...

Without the mask wearing, many people would just go back to pre-covid19 behavior, so mask wearing, even if it has no physical effect in slowing transmission rates, can have a placebo effect because it reinforces social distancing and germaphobic behaviors which may be more effective than the actual physical effect of mask wearing.
 

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I doubt the Cheyenne, Crow, Kiawa, or Pawnee are very happy with the Sioux, since the Sioux drove them all out of their ancestral homes in the black hills in the late 1700's by killing their ancestors... Every culture has sinned against another culture. There's nothing about the Sioux's claim to the black hills territory that those other tribes, who were displaced by genocidal force, would agree was "special". The Sioux's tribal racism is just like everyone elses racism, just historically less well known.

As far as going to Sturgis, I'm pretty anti-social in general, so I wouldn't go for the shitshow of the rally week. As far as the mask wearing goes, I wear it in populated public places out of respect for people who believe it's essential. The great wonder of mask wearing is whether the mask physically blocks transmission as much as the symbolic wearing of a mask reminds people to continue to practice social distancing...

Without the mask wearing, many people would just go back to pre-covid19 behavior, so mask wearing, even if it has no physical effect in slowing transmission rates, can have a placebo effect because it reinforces social distancing and germaphobic behaviors which may be more effective than the actual physical effect of mask wearing.
Masks work.

Just ask any surgeon for the last 100 years.

Or pay attention to the science.

"A preliminary analysis of 194 countries found that places where masks weren’t recommended saw a 55% weekly increase in coronavirus deaths per capita after their first case was reported, compared with 7% in countries with cultures or guidelines supporting mask-wearing. "

 
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Masks work.

Just ask any surgeon for the last 100 years.

Or pay attention to the science.

"A preliminary analysis of 194 countries found that places where masks weren’t recommended saw a 55% weekly increase in coronavirus deaths per capita after their first case was reported, compared with 7% in countries with cultures or guidelines supporting mask-wearing. "

Read what I wrote... did I say they don't work? I said I thought they might be more effective as a symbol in modifying people's behavior to prevent transmission than as an actual physical device... Wearing them makes people more self concious of whether they are behaving as safely as possible. Not wearing a mask in crowded places is dismissive of the situation and shows a casual attitude towards safer behavior. Is that clear enough for you?
 

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I said I thought they might be more effective as a symbol in modifying people's behavior to prevent transmission than as an actual physical device...
I dont think the science supports this.

Wearing them makes people more self concious of whether they are behaving as safely as possible. Not wearing a mask in crowded places is dismissive of the situation and shows a casual attitude towards safer behavior.
Perhaps it makes some people more self-aware, but those people are likely more so to begin with.

I wholeheartedly agree with the second part.

Certainly, all the Karens would disagree with both.
 

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Masks work.

Just ask any surgeon for the last 100 years.

Or pay attention to the science.

"A preliminary analysis of 194 countries found that places where masks weren’t recommended saw a 55% weekly increase in coronavirus deaths per capita after their first case was reported, compared with 7% in countries with cultures or guidelines supporting mask-wearing. "

Thats a strange response...

Firstly, he did NOT in any way say that masks don’t work!

Secondly, surgeons wearing masks is a very different thing to us masses, they wear proper surgical masks, and do so as a part of a rigorous complete gowning and cleaning process, and dispose of all their PPE equipment and replace with new every time, and etc, etc.

Thirdly, “Pay attention to the science” is a phrase that I’ll remember this pandemic for! We talk about THE science as if there is only one perspective, one view, from one scientist. There is NOT, there are always apposing views, and all can ‘prove’ their findings.

And that final quote about preliminary findings is another media classic whereby they absolutely fail to recognise (or choose to ignore) the difference between correlation and causality.
 
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As far as the mask wearing goes, I wear it in populated public places out of respect for people who believe it's essential. The great wonder of mask wearing is whether the mask physically blocks transmission as much as the symbolic wearing of a mask reminds people to continue to practice social distancing...

Without the mask wearing, many people would just go back to pre-covid19 behavior, so mask wearing, even if it has no physical effect in slowing transmission rates, can have a placebo effect because it reinforces social distancing and germaphobic behaviors which may be more effective than the actual physical effect of mask wearing.
I think that is a really valid point, wearing a mask undoubtedly reinforces various behaviours that come under the heading of ‘social distancing rules’.

Which (before anyone jumps to the wrong conclusion) is, in my opinion, additional argument FOR the wearing of masks.
 
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Are you guys saying that covering your mouth is not an effective way of keeping shit from coming out of your mouth??
"Its unfortunate that this is a world." - DT

Havent found the cure for politicians yet.
 
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I really appreciate it if you would help me understand this. https://thehill.com/policy/internat...nd-locked-down-after-new-zealands-first-local

Population 1.70 million, 419 Square miles, 1575 confirmed cases from day one, obviously they don't do much testing around there? 22 deaths out of a population of 1.70 MILLION. That's a .0009 death rate. And your leader has put you on lockdown. UnF#ckingbelieveable. Kind of sounds like Wuhan China and their "Statistics" and an overreaching Gov't., backed by a bunch of BS media.

I live in a 814 square mile county, Twice the size of your city, in the Fascist State of New Germany, aka New Jersey. County Population 450K. 6212 confirmed cases since day one, 446 deaths, of which most were due to the Governor forcing long term care facilities and nursing homes to accept China Virus patients. But you know what, our death rate is the same. .0009 % of the population. Lord have Mercy!

How come the reported cases are always from day one and not active cases?

I always were a mask when entering a public establishment. No gloves, but wipe down any of the shit I have to touch.

I've taken the whole mask thing to another level. I told my girl when she stops by she better wear a mask. I've been tired of the old surgeon look. Now I never know who I'm sleeping with, could be Marilyn Monroe, Kate Upton, Gisele Bundchen. As long as it's not Hillary Clinton. She gets new masks every week.

I don't know, but according to the stats in your Country, sounds like you are suffering, while they look for the needle in the haystack. Just like they are doing in my County.
 
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