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If you have had a proper dose of it and been in the hospital, your outlook completely changes. Anyone can get it, anyone can die from it, gasping for breath,frightened to hell, off your head and without your family. Take it seriously before it takes you. its a bastard. I know.
A good friend spent 40 days in hospital, including 10 on a ventilator, with CV19. Fortunately she survived but it will be a long recovery. She's mid-50s so hardly "old" - at least to most of us on here ;)

I suspect she was just unfortunate to have to be in hospital for an unrelated issue at the worst possible time and picked it up there.

Be careful out there people. As Bob said, it's a bastard.
 
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I have four friends who have had Covid, two of which are a husband & wife who got infected with it while on a cruise.
They are in their late sixties, both are going to be OK but it was the worst illness they have ever experienced, by far. She came through better than her husband, he is still very weak. Imagine being that sick and stuck in a tiny room aboard a Cruiseship, unable to get home.
The other two are men, both in their 70s. Both were healthy and living at home with their wives prior to covid. Both are now in the recovered category however both will need full long term care, as in feeding, cleaning etc. It's doubtful they will ever live at their homes again.
Unfortunately they both required ventilation for weeks and some brain damage has occured, as well as lots of other organ damage, lung scarring etc.

I also know of a fifth person who has gone thru Covid and is considered recovered. He is just 47, a health care worker. He required hospitalization but not full ventilation, just oxygen.
He is now at home but unable to climb stairs, so he sleeps in the living room downstairs.
His problem is lung scarring and general weakness.
It's strange that I happen to know so many people who have had COVID19, it's actually still pretty rare here in British Columbia.
Most days we have been showing an infection rate at about 1/50th of our neighbour to the south, Washington State.

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Blood thinners. Probably good if you are already on Cartia or Warfarin.

Among the most important findings, consistent across several studies, is confirmation the virus appears to attack the lungs the most ferociously. They also found the pathogen in parts of the brain, kidneys, liver, gastrointestinal tract and spleen and in the endothelial cells that line blood vessels, as some had previously suspected. Researchers also found widespread clotting in many organs...

One of the first American investigations to be made public, on April 10, was out of New Orleans. The patient was a 44-year-old man who had been treated at LSU Health. Richard Vander Heide remembers cutting the lung and discovering what were probably hundreds or thousands of microclots.

“I will never forget the day,” recalled Vander Heide, who has been performing autopsies since 1994. “I said to the resident, ‘This is very unusual.’ I had never seen something like this.”

 
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Not sure if you actually read my post or not Danno?

If so, you’ll note that I said I’m not anti masker. But, especially if all other rules are followed, mask effectiveness is over rated. That’s all I said.

However, your first sentence is something I passionately disagree with!

Doing ‘something’ is NOT bound to be better than doing nothing, not at all !

I dread to think where we’d be as a society if we all allowed our governments that kind of unchallenged free reign.
You have to take it in the context of the current situation. When citizens are dying because people are so "anti-government" that they purposely do the opposite thing when government intervenes, doing nothing is ignorant. Politicians are elected to do the people's bidding, not sit on their hands helplessly and pander to science-deniers who are more concerned with their own "rights" not to be told by government how to behave than they are the rights of others to not be unnecessarily endangered by idiots. If they can't or won't do the job, let's get rid of all government and return to the past of every man for himself. If you are so anti-government, what do you propose as an alternative? Is any government intervention acceptable? If not, what are we paying them for? I never suggested relying on politicians to do the right thing on their own, they must have their feet held to the fire. Like all the folks who don't even vote because they believe all politicians are crooks. That's what's called a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you do nothing, you should expect nothing. If you think that's what government should do about Covid-19, I passionately disagree, to use your term. Ronald Reagan said government's job is to protect the people, not run their lives. I want the protection I pay for, even if it's from morons who think their right to do whatever they please is more important. Next time you get pulled over for speeding, tell the cop you have a right to do whatever as long as you haven't injured of killed someone or destroyed any private property. They are there to intervene BEFORE that possibility occurs. And saying mask effectiveness is overrated is similar to the anti-helmet riders who say helmets block your vision and hearing and can break your neck in a crash. Every medical professional is wearing a mask, and most are not N-95. Should they stop? If everyone was masking, case numbers would be going down instead of skyrocketing in the States where the most anti-masking, personal rights to be an idiot idiots live. I just came home from Florida, so I've seen the evidence.
 
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Its seems we are in grave danger of general agreevent Danno! I agree with most of that... in the current context.

But your own illustrious leader is (if I may say so) a rather good case for the need to ensure politicians are not allowed just to ‘do something’ otherwise you guys might all be drinking bleach and taking malaria tablets by now !

I absolutely stand by my mask comments though, which to sum up was: yes we should wear masks, yes they are a small price to pay, yes they offer SOME protection in SOME circumstances, BUT their effectiveness is most definitely being over hyped, probably because our governments have worryingly few other answers to this virus. For example, someone in the US has just said that if everyone wore masks this thing would be over within two months... that just ain’t true!

Motorcycle helmets by contrast are pretty well proven to prevent or reduce head injuries. You simply cannot compare the two Danno, and doing so undermines your otherwsie reasonable arguments IMHO.
 
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Re, blood clots, this is the likely reason we are seeing reports of strokes in younger people with covid19.

Re. Masks, I believe I heard the CDC head (Redfield?) state that masks would bring things under control in 4 to 8 months (EDIT: Sorry, should have typed weeks). Not that it would be all over. Masks reduce the chances of transmission by some percentage, because the droplets leaving your gob are deflected/trapped/slowed down by the material. They generally do not travel as far as they otherwise would. Therefore the probability enough will find their was into the next pair of lungs drops significantly. Not to anywhere near zero, but enough to bring down the r0 (viral rate of infection) , meaning an infected person doesn"t spread it to two or three more people, maybe only one. That makes a huge difference in case numbers across the population. Allows healthcare to better manage, allows for better contact tracing etc etc.
 
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Have you ever sat at a bar table and watched a well lubed person yelling their opinions at anyone who will listen, or more often, at their friends who aren't listening?

When the sunlight is just at the perfect angle you can see a steady shower of droplets pouring forth.
Talk about speaking moistly!
For some reason certain individuals spray far more than others.
It's not difficult to see how a mask would help in this situation.
Unfortunately this is exactly the situation where the general attitude is " ain't wearing no f-ing mask!"

Glen
 

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I very much agree with that Pete.

As of Friday this week, masks in shops etc are to be compulsary in the U.K., so I’m wondering how much of those kind of issues that you’ve had over there (anti maskers fighting with Wal art staff etc) we’re gonna see here.

I feel for the store workers. They’re the poor buggers having to deal with such idiots. Making something law is one thing, enforcing it is another...
 
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I very much agree with that Pete.

As of Friday this week, masks in shops etc are to be compulsary in the U.K., so I’m wondering how much of those kind of issues that you’ve had over there (anti maskers fighting with Wal art staff etc) we’re gonna see here.

I feel for the store workers. They’re the poor buggers having to deal with such idiots. Making something law is one thing, enforcing it is another...
Whilst I agree with all here, and will be wearing my 'face covering' (it's NOT masks that are compulsory, just making sure your mouth and nose are 'covered'), I'm still at a bit of a loss why the shop staff are NOT included in this requirement. If they're handling goods for use or consumption by the general public I would have thought it would have been a given... Cycling past the local Tesco 'Click And Collect' point none of the staff wore face coverings or gloves..
Not trying to defer responsibility here, just seems strange staff are not included..
 
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Unfourtunely, we are going giving to be stuck in limbo with this virus fir the next 5, 10, 15 years. Even if they discover a vaccine , it is unlikely to eliminate it for good, its only a matter of time before the gorillas etc get it.
The latest from the US is that the POTUS is being warned it will get worse before it gets better and that, a little late down the line, and that all Americans should wear face masks.
The UK government doesn't fare any better, always being several weeks behind making face masks compulsory on public transport, in shops etc.
 
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Would these people wear a face mask if they were told how much the treatment would cost if they were unlucky to catch coronavirus?
 
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Back to Norton taps, there is an easy way to increase reserve capacity, obtain 2 identical taps with a reserve tap and check under the tank to see if there is a raised tube which will hold the tap proud of the tank base. If so, there maybe only one solution, fit a longer tube to the tap to raise it higher. Its basically up to you.
 
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Back to Norton taps, there is an easy way to increase reserve capacity, obtain 2 identical taps with a reserve tap and check under the tank to see if there is a raised tube which will hold the tap proud of the tank base. If so, there maybe only one solution, fit a longer tube to the tap to raise it higher. Its basically up to you.
Nurse!!! The screens, please... (Bernhard's made an elbow of himself :) )
 
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Have you ever sat at a bar table and watched a well lubed person yelling their opinions at anyone who will listen, or more often, at their friends who aren't listening?

When the sunlight is just at the perfect angle you can see a steady shower of droplets pouring forth.
Talk about speaking moistly!
For some reason certain individuals spray far more than others.
It's not difficult to see how a mask would help in this situation.
Unfortunately this is exactly the situation where the general attitude is " ain't wearing no f-ing mask!"

Glen
New studies on the 6' social distance show a sneeze can travel up to 20' and the droplets can linger in the air for hours.
 
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Would these people wear a face mask if they were told how much the treatment would cost if they were unlucky to catch coronavirus?
Many still have "political hoax" rattling around in their otherwise empty heads. Yesterday, a local anti-masker on the news bragged she had been at a party with 200 people and no masks or social distancing and nobody got sick with C-19. Another said she thought folks who weren't sick shouldn't have to wear a mask. Unless both were recently tested and have had zero contact with others, how would they know whether or not they were carrying and spreading the virus? The political hoaxer-in-chief has finally started masking at times and reportedly gets tested daily if not more often. He hasn't committed to sending his son back to school but he wants everyone else's kids to risk it. The Governor of nearby Missouri said kids can go back and if they get C-19, they'll "get over it" I personally think the problem is obvious.
 

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I used to live on Capitol Hill in Seattle, where the CHAZ is. In fact, i lived two doors down from the East Precinct that was the epicenter of the protests there, and would ride my Mk3 thru the carburetor shop on the ground floor into the freigh elevator, up to the third floor into my big warehouse loft.

Anyway, that part of town is very LGBTQ. And i love this guy.

 

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A striking example of two nations different pandemic responses:

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Niagara Falls Maid of the Mist tour boats, one from US side, one from Canadian side.
 
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