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but one thing that no one has answers to or want to know the truth is how it started

We all know where and how it started. There will never be documented proof. There has been enough time to scrub the trail clean. We also all know that the US government was involved in it's development. That will be harder to cover up. In fact, proof of that is already there for those who want to look for it. The government and the media in the United States will never report the truth about it though.
 

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If one can ignore the last five seconds...and the fact that it is an ad, its pretty good.

 

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We all know where and how it started. There will never be documented proof. There has been enough time to scrub the trail clean. We also all know that the US government was involved in it's development. That will be harder to cover up. In fact, proof of that is already there for those who want to look for it. The government and the media in the United States will never report the truth about it though.
Well we do know where it started but we don't know how or where really as where it started no imformation is getting out of that country and the people who open their mouths go missing and big cover ups, what we do know is really guess work as they won't let anyone in to find out the truth and the people they have let in to find out they are only showing them what they want them to know, as for facts we will never know and all facts really is guess work, we hear bats or animals or LAB experiments gone wrong or got out of control, we will never know the true facts of the matter when you have a country leaders who will never tell the truth even when it kills it own people, was there other GOVs involved, who knows as we will never know and why and this is a big why, why no other countries in the world made the one that has caused all this virus and all the deaths in the world made to answer the facts that we all need to know to fight this virus, its not west vs east as Russia, N Korea and others are all suffering the same fate, we need true answers not make up answers or cover ups, we can blame this and that but so much untruths and fake news, who do we believe, everyone has their own opinion but not everyone's opinion is true facts.
Just look at the opinions on here and disagreements between folks, one side upsetting the other side, the believers and disbelievers, the facts vs non facts, all I want to know is the truth but that will be wishful thinking and as I have always said, we will never know.

Ashley
 

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Sinice you are fond of citing Israeli results.

"At least 12 days after the booster dose, the rate of confirmed infection was lower in the booster group than in the nonbooster group by a factor of 11.3 (95% confidence interval [CI], 10.4 to 12.3); the rate of severe illness was lower by a factor of 19.5 (95% CI, 12.9 to 29.5). In a secondary analysis, the rate of confirmed infection at least 12 days after vaccination was lower than the rate after 4 to 6 days by a factor of 5.4 (95% CI, 4.8 to 6.1)."

 

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Yes, you beat me to updating the thread with the info.

"Scientists said they had “trouble” supporting the Pfizer application for booster doses for most Americans for reasons including the risk of myocarditis, or heart inflammation, in young men especially; a lack of evidence that boosters would significantly curb the direction of the pandemic; and questions about whether boosters should be confined to older Americans.

Much of the debate focused on how vaccines provoked immunity: did waning immunity in mild and moderate disease, which requires circulating antibodies, indicate there would be waning immunity from severe disease requiring hospitalization, which relies on a different part of the immune system? Several members felt there was insufficient evidence to answer the question.

There is little debate that third shots are appropriate for people who are immunocompromised and mount a less robust response to the vaccine. The FDA recommended third shots for this group in August."
 

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"Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine is the most effective at protecting against Covid-19 hospitalizations, according to a study published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

An analysis of more than 3,600 adults hospitalized at 21 U.S. facilities from March to August found that vaccine efficacy against hospitalization was 93 percent for the Moderna vaccine compared to 88 percent for the Pfizer-BioNTech shot."


 

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Considering the way right-wing conspiracy theorist talk radio hosts, anti-vax whackos and minor-league politicians are dropping like flies from severe Covid infections, you'd think their sheep-like followers would get a clue.
Darwin Award winners.
 
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Oh dear, now it's serious:

 
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All in all a great summer. Slight infection early on but all ok. At a loose end today so rolled out the Harley and went for a blast. Out up Bilsdale, down through Ryedale, unintentional detour due to Sutton Bank being closed, a bonus as it turned out, discovered roads and villages missed. Back to the coast on the A19, UK freeway, then a few beers to numb my acheing derrière, then cooked steak and chips down the shed. Magic!
 

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Considering the way right-wing conspiracy theorist talk radio hosts, anti-vax whackos and minor-league politicians are dropping like flies from severe Covid infections, you'd think their sheep-like followers would get a clue.
A new site called Sorry Antivaxxer is now keeping a compendium of avoidable obituaries and medical horror stories about people who contracted the coronavirus after rejecting safety measures such as masks and vaccines, and often encouraging others to do the same. The point of the site isn't to make light of tragedy or revel in schadenfreude but to point out just how preventable these fatalities are. These are real people who had real families, real dreams and things to contribute before their lives were cut short.

One such story:

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Jorge Lis, 46, Valencia, Spain, Professional Motorcyclist. Verdadera antivacuna, muerto por covid​


According to this story, Jorge Lis, former profession motorcyclist and more recently coach has died of COVID. He was a stalwart anti-vaxxer, and it cost him his life.





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In one of the last messages he sent his sister before being admitted to ICU, he admitted that he was "afraid". He had suddenly been given one of his greatest life lessons. "Spending a lot of time on Twitter, etc. radicalized me to the extreme. I wish I had been vaccinated."



RIP Jorge.
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I didn't mean to make light of any Covid deaths, but these morons are the cause of a lot more deaths than their own, and assume absolutely no responsibility for doing so. Apparently "freedom" lovers reserve the right to believe in stupid crap that has zero to do with reality or science.
 

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I didn't mean to make light of any Covid deaths, but these morons are the cause of a lot more deaths than their own, and assume absolutely no responsibility for doing so. Apparently "freedom" lovers reserve the right to believe in stupid crap that has zero to do with reality or science.
Agree with you fully. I did not intend to imply any flippantcey on your previous post.
 

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Yes, you beat me to updating the thread with the info.

"Scientists said they had “trouble” supporting the Pfizer application for booster doses for most Americans for reasons including the risk of myocarditis, or heart inflammation, in young men especially; a lack of evidence that boosters would significantly curb the direction of the pandemic; and questions about whether boosters should be confined to older Americans.

Much of the debate focused on how vaccines provoked immunity: did waning immunity in mild and moderate disease, which requires circulating antibodies, indicate there would be waning immunity from severe disease requiring hospitalization, which relies on a different part of the immune system? Several members felt there was insufficient evidence to answer the question.

There is little debate that third shots are appropriate for people who are immunocompromised and mount a less robust response to the vaccine. The FDA recommended third shots for this group in August."
 
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Here is my personal experience.

Got a Moderna covid shot on August 12. Had what I now believe was a heart attack on September 3. I wasn't sure what it was at the time, but it sure was unpleasant. Never had any history or proclivity for heart disease. Had a catheter and camera inserted into my heart to look for blockages about 5 years ago. Nothing found. Saw a doctor on September 5, he thought it was a heart attack from my description. Says most cardiac events are caused by arterial blockage. Said a lot can change in 5 years. He told me if it happens again to go to the hospital emergency room.

Still waiting to see a cardiologist. I have an appointment on September 22.

Are these events related? I don't know. Will the cardiologist tell me if he thinks they are related? I don't know, but I certainly plan to ask him.

The fact that it takes 3 weeks to see a cardiologist after a suspected heart attack probably says something about the health care system in the United States.

I made a visit to a hospital emergency room several years ago. It showed me that I have been priced out of those services.
 

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I'm sorry, you are citing an Alex Jones site as the source of anything beyond the polemic??
Sorry but the FDA panel recordings that i posted are not part of Alex Jones... but at this stage he seems FAR more credible than the Lincoln Project
That you have relied on as a credible source to discredit Ivermectin.?
What you don't seem to understand is that im not entirely against using the experimental mRNA gene therapy shot for the health compromised and truly vulnerable people to give them a possible better chance of beating the illness but to MASS vaccinate is a massive problem waiting to fester as clinical case studies are now showing.
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