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After reading this excerpt from a doc found on NOC (attached below), i've decided to follow the sage advice and eliminate a possible engine killing liabilty:

"Mention of pressure brings me to another point-the fitting of oil pressure gauges. On the Commando (and for similar
reasons. most bikes) an oil pressure gauge is more of a liability than an asset. It is of necessity, fitted on the feed side
where any failure of pipe or gauge is disastrous to engine and rider--it's touch and go whether the engine seizes
before or after you fall off with oil on the back wheel. On the Commando this failure could be caused by engine
vibration in the same way that early rocker pipes failed. (We're coming to that.) The other reason that a pressure
gauge isn't much good is really twofold. At high speeds and high oil temperatures the pressure can drop to nothing
on the gauge because the pump can hardly keep up with the rate the stuff is flying out of the big ends. The
centrifugal force can keep the pressure at the big ends above the danger point, so there's no real panic--but the gauge
would inspire you with horror. Then of course if you did seize an oil pump by the time you noticed that the pressure
had dropped the big ends would have gone (. . . through the hole in the crankcase, with average N.O.C. luck!). If you
want an interesting gauge to frighten yourself with, but, which is inherently safer and can give useful information, fit
an oil temperature gauge in the oil tank. Let me know what it reads as you change into top for the Mountain Mile on
both the fourth or fifth lap! The latest Racing Nortons (we can't call them J.P. Nortons any more as they've stopped
the bikes from smoking) had a new type of oil pump-I wonder if this is because the ordinary pump can't keep up?"
 

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The gauge I had fitted used the quick connector fittings to run the thin oil line from rocker spindle to the handlebar mount gauge. This line had disconnected more thna once at the rocker cover plate fitting...and though I noticed it nearly right away, this became too risky for me. If I had a compression type fitting setup I'd be more comfortable. Better yet, an electrical type gauge with a sender tapped off the pump output would be a solution I might install one day.
 
The gauge I had fitted used the quick connector fittings to run the thin oil line from rocker spindle to the handlebar mount gauge. This line had disconnected more thna once at the rocker cover plate fitting...and though I noticed it nearly right away, this became too risky for me. If I had a compression type fitting setup I'd be more comfortable. Better yet, an electrical type gauge with a sender tapped off the pump output would be a solution I might install one day.
Push connects?
 
Push connects?
If that's the term, sounds correct. Push in line and the fitting grabs it making it oil tight. Unsure how it released after being fine for 2 or 3 seasons of riding. Perhaps it got bumped while messing around on the engine one day. First time it disconnected it was noticed right after start up as oil pooled on fins. Tried trimming the hose a little to give it some fresh material to grab. Fine again for many months. Then while out around town one morning I noticed smoke rising while stopped at a light, looked down to see entire right side of bike coated in oil. Was nearly 1 litre spewed within no more than 5 min of city stop/go riding. Had this happened out on the highway (which is where I was heading that morning), no way would I have caught it before seizure.

So, no, that article is no B.S., things can go very wrong very quickly running an oil line type gauge.
 
If that's the term, sounds correct. Push in line and the fitting grabs it making it oil tight. Unsure how it released after being fine for 2 or 3 seasons of riding. Perhaps it got bumped while messing around on the engine one day. First time it disconnected it was noticed right after start up as oil pooled on fins. Tried trimming the hose a little to give it some fresh material to grab. Fine again for many months. Then while out around town one morning I noticed smoke rising while stopped at a light, looked down to see entire right side of bike coated in oil. Was nearly 1 litre spewed within no more than 5 min of city stop/go riding.
Not a good application for those fittings. HOWEVER, like most ANY fitting, engineering a travel loop, lazy loops and securing to stop vibration are important to durability.
 
If that's the term, sounds correct. Push in line and the fitting grabs it making it oil tight. Unsure how it released after being fine for 2 or 3 seasons of riding. Perhaps it got bumped while messing around on the engine one day. First time it disconnected it was noticed right after start up as oil pooled on fins. Tried trimming the hose a little to give it some fresh material to grab. Fine again for many months. Then while out around town one morning I noticed smoke rising while stopped at a light, looked down to see entire right side of bike coated in oil. Was nearly 1 litre spewed within no more than 5 min of city stop/go riding. Had this happened out on the highway (which is where I was heading that morning), no way would I have caught it before seizure.

So, no, that article is no B.S., things can go very wrong very quickly running an oil line type gauge.
Well, with all due respect, I would offer, any part of our bike put together in a way that isn't durable, and visually checked is every bit as "dangerous".
The original type oil line feed to the top end was as brittle as glass from heat & age. It pissed oil all over my engine, and on the ground.

A low oil pressure light is a good case saving idea. I have one from Don. However, the trending offered by a gage is far more valuable.

I ran oil pressure gages on two other motorcycles, 90,000 miles, no drama, ever.

JMWO
 
or use the much safer oil pressure warning switch from Don Pender (Madass).
Yes I am considering that setup. Might even add a warning beeper or vibrating alarm to give more obvious low pressure alert. Unlike a voltage warning light, effects of low pressure are more immediate and severe. Can't b e expected to keep looking for a light warning while riding about.
 
Yes I am considering that setup. Might even add a warning beeper or vibrating alarm to give more obvious low pressure alert. Unlike a voltage warning light, effects of low pressure are more immediate and severe. Can't b e expected to keep looking for a light warning while riding about.
You don't look at a warning light any more than you would look at an oil pressure gauge
I'm pretty sure you would notice a light coming on more than you would an oil pressure reading dropping
Or maybe not
2 years ago my mate had an oil pump failure on his t120 triumph
He had no oil pressure gauge and no oil light
The oil pump packed up and he didn't realize
The engine needed a total rebuild
 
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I have the Holland Norton Works Gauge coupled to Venhill braided lines and a brake hydraulic circuit works at significantly higher pressure than the Norton oil circuit..
 
I fitted the Holland Norton Works gauge and in my mind its almost bullet proof
Some of the gauges that are offered by others I've seen look shanky...especially the oil line connections
 

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I drilled my inlet rocker shafts to eliminate the crossover line and used the now open fitting on the drive side of the head to feed a gauge plumbed via the steering stem. Used braided stainless lines properly secured and never had an issue.
 
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You don't look at a warning light any more than you would look at an oil pressure gauge
I'm pretty sure you would notice a light coming on more than you would an oil pressure reading dropping
Or maybe not
2 years ago my mate had an oil pump failure on his t120 triumph
He had no oil pressure gauge and no oil light
The oil pump packed up and he didn't realize
The engine needed a total rebuild
If that were true we'd all never forget to check our turn signal warning lamp while riding. Your eyes are much too busy searching to threats on the road around you to effectively monitor the instruments/warning lights.
 
I use an "oil filled" oil gauge with good results. +75 K miles and still going strong. I got mine from B.C.S. , when I first bought my 850 Interstate. First it shows when I can start putting the beans to my ride when the engine oil warms up to operating temp. My Bike will start with about 60+ psi from a cold start, (SRM Engineering) PRV. It moves down to about 45-50 psi at 55mph in 4th gear, 3000+ RPM when properly warmed up. It shows how hot the bike gets with a pressure drop on very extreme hot days of +90 deg. F. I've seen it drop to about 20 psi at 75 mph in 4th on these hot days.
I route my lines carefully through the triple tree and use a spiral cable protector and or grommets. I make a cut radially from one section of the I.D. and O.D. of the grommet and then use a small zip tie in the groove after I carefully place it in a possible rub area of the oil pressure tube.
A idiot light, as stated above is a good idea and would get your attention as I tend to not scan my gauges as often when I'm in the twisties.
I always look at it when ever I do an oil/ filter change out or a long winter layover. I check for oil return to the tank when the seat is still off during these maintenance activities.
Trending from normal is a time for investigation. that's my Nickle worth.
Cheers,
Tom
 
The gauge I had fitted used the quick connector fittings to run the thin oil line from rocker spindle to the handlebar mount gauge. This line had disconnected more thna once at the rocker cover plate fitting...and though I noticed it nearly right away, this became too risky for me. If I had a compression type fitting setup I'd be more comfortable. Better yet, an electrical type gauge with a sender tapped off the pump output would be a solution I might install one day.
Just take off the quick connector and use an aero type fitting on a ss line.
 
A gauge saved the engine on one of my bikes from total destruction. No damage done. Totally justified. Yes it did run zero at idle on hot days, never at revs, that enabled me to make an informed decision to fit an oil cooler with thermostat and change the viscosity of my summer oil. Totally justified. Pressure gauges tell you good information on oil temperature, too hot the pressure drops.

Oil temperature is hotter after idling at the lights on a hot day than it is WOT, due to lack of cooling air flow.
 
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