Pazon sure-fire dead on arrival

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Huckfinn

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72 combat commando with 9k orig everything—-too many screwdrivers attacking the points so adjusting screws were worn and setting them was near impossible. Shortcut—go Pazon. After 3 hours of install, re-install, re-re-re check everything===same ending, no spark. Jump to their “fault finding tips”===still no spark. Will send the unit back to Pazon if the shipping doesn’t cost more then it makes sense. If it does, I am reverting back to points. At least I can clean and adjust them as well as trace the wires outside of a sealed module. Ugh!!
So much for a shortcut.
 
Have you pressed the reset button?
You have to hold it in for a couple of seconds until the red LED blinks
 
robs ss said:
Have you pressed the reset button?
You have to hold it in for a couple of seconds until the red LED blinks
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Are you thinking of Smart-Fire?
Sure-Fire doesn't have a reset button or LED.
 
Thanks L.A.B. - you're right (again)
Sorry for any wasted time
 
You can try e-mailing Andy at Pazon and maybe send him some pictures of your installation and he can go through it with you. I've had very good customer support for the 2 ignitions I bought from them - one Surefire and the other an Altair. If you can describe more fully what you've tried it would help. Is it getting power and ground?
 
What are you running for coils and how are they wired?

Assume you have been through the big rubber connector block and the kill switch to verify this stuff is working?
 
Remove the pick up coils from the old points connection lead and measure the resistance across the screws, if no reading, turn the pick coils over and measure across the tracks under the terminal block if you get a reading return it to retailer.
 
Input to module has solid 12v and solid ground. Pazon pickup coils check out good. Bike coils are the stock 6v and the bike ran a month ago. No spark is being generated. Module is suspect but according to Andy, other then tweaking the pickup wires to generate spark, there is no other way for me to test the new module so it’s on its way back to New Zealand. Ugh
 
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Input to module has solid 12v and solid ground. Pazon pickup coils check out good. Bike coils are the stock 6v and the bike ran a month ago. No spark is being generated. Module is suspect but according to Andy, other then tweaking the pickup wires to generate spark, there is no other way for me to test the new module so it’s on its way back to New Zealand. Ugh
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Sounds like that is the best action, but I am reminded that earlier this year I has an issue with my surefire. Stator coils checked for correct reistance, but the issue was a loose screw in the connector block which did not show up with this test! Just be sure when you get your new box.

Me, I have a spare box in the spares kit now!
 
Module was bad right out of the box. Sent back to Pazon—it was tested bad and replaced under warranty.
 
Received new module—Andy Said the replacement was tested before shipping. I installed—and —-. I give up, still no spark. So back to points. Don’t know what the problem is and don’t care at this point. I am out the cost of the initial purchase as well as the warranty shipping. Wouldn’t do that again. If the selling dealer doesn’t handle warranty issues locally, I don’t want it. Modern electronics are great when they work but when they don’t—arggg.
Got the spark advance reinstalled as well as the points plate, need to solder on the original points wire connections then on to timing. Double check the coil connections etc. Probably going to need to find a Norton guru here in Louisville to sanity check the final reassembly. So, how is your day going????
 
Anything on a bike can be fixed. It is a machine. But how long you can maintain your interest and patience ,well that is the rub.
Give it some time and then take another look when you have recovered.
 
Huckfinn said:
Received new module—Andy Said the replacement was tested before shipping. I installed—and —-. I give up, still no spark. So back to points. Don’t know what the problem is and don’t care at this point. I am out the cost of the initial purchase as well as the warranty shipping. Wouldn’t do that again. If the selling dealer doesn’t handle warranty issues locally, I don’t want it. Modern electronics are great when they work but when they don’t—arggg.
Got the spark advance reinstalled as well as the points plate, need to solder on the original points wire connections then on to timing. Double check the coil connections etc. Probably going to need to find a Norton guru here in Louisville to sanity check the final reassembly. So, how is your day going????
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Try running power directly to the box via alligator clip test wires from the battery. double check terminals at the coil for tightness and continuity check leads down to the trigger at the timing case. Make sure your coils are good. don't assume they are...know. If the test leads start the bike then suspect the wiring harness and kill switch.
Cheers,
Thomas
 
did you switch to resister plugs or plug wires, like NGKBPR7es?

or does not Sure Fire require resisters in the firing sequence like the other digital EI ?
 
Pazon Surefire likes 5K resistor cap , non resistor plugs and HT leads.
No other resistor other than the cap.
Regards Mike
 
If Andy says he tested your replacement unit, then he did. Pazon are remarkably strong and reliable units, failures without external causes are virtually non-existant with Surefires.

TWO of them brand new in a row not working, without external cause on your bike is close to impossible. I suggest you run a test by hard wiring it directly from the battery, no loom, no switch of any kind, and to the coils, direct wires.

New spark plugs and high tension leads and caps.

It WILL work.
 
I had my Surefire tested by Andy recently , I stood beside him as he did it as he lives about 30 mins away from me.
Good set up and my system tested very well as new.
I replaced the HT leads and caps as one cap had an intermittent fault.
He showed me his whole set up and has very few returned units
Regards Mike
 
Sorry to offend you with a stupid question.

Just making sure that you have definitely removed the ballast resistor?

I’m sure both the Pazon units were fine, so let’s focus on what it is about your bike that they’re not liking.
 
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