Marzocchi shocks

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Hello, does any one have any experience with Marzocchi shocks on a (stock with 18" rear rim) commando? The bike I am currently rebuilding ('74 MK2) came with a pair and I'm wondering if they are worth rebuilding or if I should get new Hagon or Ikon shocks. I have yet to identify a more specific model number...



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Those look to be A84's, are they better than the Marzocchi piggy backs I do not know.
What I do know is when I replaced those with Koni's back in the 1990's the ride difference was very noticeable for the better.

Only trying them would tell you but doubt they are better than a KONI / IKON.
 
Those look to be A84's, are they better than the Marzocchi piggy backs I do not know.
What I do know is when I replaced those with Koni's back in the 1990's the ride difference was very noticeable for the better.

Only trying them would tell you but doubt they are better than a KONI / IKON.
I so wanted Marzocchi piggy backs c. 1990. The pig of a sales guy put me off. I am totally happy to hear that the IKONIs are better than those.
 
While Marzocchis were a popular aftermarket option back in the day, they won't compare very well against Ikons.
My experience of the A73s and the piggyback ones (i.e., not yours!) was they were just average, but better than Jap OEM.
Hagons are comparable to the OEM Girlings performance-wise; OK as a replacement, but if you're looking to improve the bike the Ikons are a clear favourite IMHO, and worth the extra.
 
Marzocchis‘ were stiff back then. Which means they’ll feel extremely stiff now. I think that’s what helped their performance (on the right surfaces), over and above any massively different technology or quality over the competition.

Suspension technology has moved on an awful lot in 40 / 50 years. An AWFUL lot.

OEMs then, as now, were squeezed on price and suspension was one way to cut costs without reducing showroom appeal.

So, add the facts the technology and manufacturing standards have moved on so much as well as the fact that our expectations have moved on, and IMHO it means that good quality modern units are the only way to go IF you actually want good suspension.

But do not assume that all new units are good. Some of the cheap Far Eastern offerings are of little use for anything other than connecting the swinging arm to the frame and being slightly better than rigid struts… I recently experienced some and was amazed at their shocking (ha, ha) performance.
 
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I had them on a snowmobile, very unimpressed compared to the Showa's, and the Zucchini's seals failed gushed the oil out. One (set) & done.
 
I had a set of piggy back mazocchis back in the day,they were very expensive for what they were
Were no better than girlings from memory
And when I went to adjust them with a C spanner the spring adjuster cam fell in two
It was a cheap nasty alloy casting
 
Early Ducati GT 750's came with Marzocchis on both ends. Prior to buying the Ducati GT I had a BSA A 50, Triumph Bonneville & Trident and 2 Nortons. I also purchased a Honda CB 750 K1. I did not notice any major performance differences from the suspension with the exception of the Honda which seemed over sprung and which I sold at relatively low miles after getting fired from the Triumph dealer 15 minutes after the owner saw me ride up for work. I went to the Norton dealer but parked the Honda out-of-sight for fear I wouldn't get a chance to speak with the owner; kinda like driving through Detroit in the late 60s/early70s in a Toyota...

I learned over the years that better suspension components (dampers) gave you a broader "sweet spot" and better road feel.

Suspension technology has moved on an awful lot in 40 / 50 years. An AWFUL lot.

My R-Design '07 Volvo S60 had 3 damper settings that could be selected electrically from the driver's seat, 1) stiff on local roads at speeds under 40 MPH: 2) very stiff on state numbered roads and 3) where-is-the-nearest-dentist on roads with pot holes and frost heaves (does keep you awake). stiff became tolerable at speeds over 40 MPH (assuming the road surface wasn't full of pot holes) Very stiff did a good job on major limited access roads like Interstates (especially entrance and exit ramps) at speeds up to at least 120 MPH (I hadn't challenged the speed limiter which gives you the finger, supposedly, at 155 MPH. My current '016 S60 R-Design does not have this feature, but if (and when) the roads are good is like sitting on a magic carpet and it has over 100 more horses which I turn loose any time the risks to other motorists is near zero.

My point is that true active suspension isn't available on cars unless you are buying high-dollar cars like Jaguar, Porsche, Ferrari, yada, yada, yada; it is coming and will soon be affordable on non-custom street bikes.

So, find springs that give you the proper sag, then dampen the springs until they give you the sweet-spot where you ride most with more room beyond that speed, and, yes, you'll get a stiffer ride below that. If you run into damper misbehavior at the upper end of you dampers capability, then buy better dampers with more "bandwidth".

I had a ZRX 1100, which wallowed at speeds over 90. I called Race Tech which sold me an adjustable fork cartridge kit and after a few shim changes and stiffer springs solved my suspension issues. I checked out Penske shocks, but at $1700/pair decided that the money would be wasted; if I was a competitive racer I wouldn't have thought twice. When you have the best of the best and properly sorted the only excuse is yours to own, or as someone once said, "second place is first looser".

Match the shocks with fork upgrades from Race Tech, Consentino , Covenant and now on the horizon an Olins version. Or as many talented members have done simply adapt a set of forks from a modern motorcycle and with a great side benefit: never need to lace and true the screwest front wheel ever made for a motorcycle. I'm sure that places like Buchanons' Have a room where the lace and true Norton Commando with a sign on the door (locked at all times) that says "No unauthorized admittance, violators will simply cease to exist"

Best.
 
As others have said, the reputation of marzocchis in the 70s and 80s was pretty awful. Pretty much everyone on the Laverda forum (fitted as standard to many of them) slags them off including me. I would rate Falcon, great value for similar money to Ikon and waaay better than standard Hagon. Nitron (and Maxton) are in a different price league.
 
Falcon are very highly regarded, I have them on a PR and a Seeley, and I know Fast Eddie has them on his 920.
The caveat is they're designed for race use, so just adding a click for a pillion isn't really an option, which is why I didn't mention them earlier.
I actually have a pair of Hagons on my Jota, and intend replacing them with Ikons.
 
Falcon are very highly regarded, I have them on a PR and a Seeley, and I know Fast Eddie has them on his 920.
The caveat is they're designed for race use, so just adding a click for a pillion isn't really an option, which is why I didn't mention them earlier.
I actually have a pair of Hagons on my Jota, and intend replacing them with Ikons.

Yes I had them, they were very good.

The downside was having to remove them and use spring compressors just to change the pre load. Looking at their current offerings, that is no longer an issue.
 
hmm, the Nitron is a bit over my budget, but the Falcons look reasonable. I'll have to do some more research...
 
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