Kick starter folding part movs forward- hits my shin

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I have an almost new MkIII kick starter and I love it. EXCEPT when I start moving past say 30-40 mph, the darn folding part will ALWAYS fold back to the locked-in kick start position and very annoyingly rests by my shin bone. All this tends to happen within 2-3 minutes of moving over 25 mph. Its almost brand new for gods sakes and I make sure after I start the bike, I fold it as far forward as possible.
No - it is not the ball and the spring in there.
Yes - it is torqued properly.
Any ideas...? Installation tricks..? Key things to check...?

-->FJ
WaRshington, DC
 
FJ
I would seriously look at your lay shaft bearing. Stop riding your bike until you can determine that the bearing is not the dreaded Portuguese type. When the kick-start is slapping your leg this is a telltale indicator that the bearing is about to pop. Loose it’s ball bearings from the cage. At worst it will lock your Gearbox and no amount of declutching will help. If this happens in traffic... you could be road pizza. Change it out to the super blend type or use the Mick Hemmings Bearing. Is the kickstart moving or just the part with the rubber foot pad?
Thomas
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I think he speaks of the rubber foot pad bit. Mine will do the same and then want to stick there. Something to address when this godforsaken weather breaks....
 
I solved this on rather loose swinging ks pegs byt bench and angle grinding the stops back so swung in a lot more to center out the way to stay there leaving my leg alone. Lay shaft is famous for snapping the kick lever all the way down, not staying forward with only peg swing back. Still don't mean lay bearing or some bushes thinning or busting up to cause bind vibration enough to flip the peg out like the southern wooden toy called a twirly gig. A busted or thin bush can release engagement and mess with shifting while lay bearing can lock up after clutch so is famous for leaving rider skid marks.
 
SvenSven said:
I have an almost new MkIII kick starter and I love it.
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Where did you buy your kickstart from? There are some pattern ones that are not very good quality.

Ian
 
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No - it is not the ball and the spring in there.

Any ideas...? Installation tricks..? Key things to check...?

-->FJ
WaRshington, DC
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From what I gather, the ball and spring is in place but not remaining it the closed detent position? Can you feel a positive point where the ball sits into the detent?

As a pain as it is to "fettle" with these, I would suggest clearing the indent where the ball goes of any residual chrome, crap or whatever, or may a small ball tool in a Dremal to condition it, and possibly employing a slightly stronger spring.

"The spring flying across the garage floor, disheartened, crawling on hands and knees with a flashlight shining across the cold cement hoping for a shadow of reveal. He sighed to resolve to return the hardware store only to return to find the elusive thing laying inches from where he was floundering. He craps his pants in disgust. "
 
Ok Pete I may need your spare as I put Peel's spring/ball in a pill bottle in living room to judge stop grinding amounts and now can't find it, but may not need it with gravity holding out the way and less mass like Ludwig's philosophy path. Don't take out your frustrations out with your panties skid marks, take it out on something else as much more relieving activity.
 
Add a spring washer under the acorn nut if it's not already there. I put a teflon washer on mine, but it wore out, but they're replaceable. Felt washer would probably work too and replace it when it gets bad.

Dave
 
Thanks for the replies.
The issue is with the small 2-3 inch folding part on top of the kick starter, not the whole kick starter.
The Kickstarter is a newly purchased MKIII for around $300 (no kidding!). As far as I know there are no reproductions of the MKIII kick starter, the only ones are genuine Norvill.

So it seems like the your suggestions are:
1- Use another washer possibly felt, nylon or thin metal and see how that goes. I may have to replace every once in a while due to wear..
2- Use a grinder and allow the folding section to be able to move inward (towards the motor) a tad more
3- Look into a better spring behind the steel ball.

Anything else...?

Cheer -->FJ
 
SvenSven said:
Thanks for the replies.
The issue is with the small 2-3 inch folding part on top of the kick starter, not the whole kick starter.
The Kickstarter is a newly purchased MKIII for around $300 (no kidding!). As far as I know there are no reproductions of the MKIII kick starter, the only ones are genuine Norvill.

So it seems like the your suggestions are:
1- Use another washer possibly felt, nylon or thin metal and see how that goes. I may have to replace every once in a while due to wear..
2- Use a grinder and allow the folding section to be able to move inward (towards the motor) a tad more
3- Look into a better spring behind the steel ball.

Anything else...?

Cheer -->FJ
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I would start with number 3- for that is the proper operation then apply band aids as needed, like a metal spring washer and an all metal locking jam nut. The jam nuts a much thinner than the regular lock nuts.
 
The acorn nut is on top of the main starter leg, that connects the small folding bar with rubber cover, which can fold up to 90 degrees.

Its a real shame you can't "simply" just post simple photos on this web forum unless you pay or become VIP or President or Senator or something... I mean a few years ago this was a luxury.. now, its pretty common, no?
:-)
-->FJ
 
pete.v said:
"The spring flying across the garage floor, disheartened, crawling on hands and knees with a flashlight shining across the cold cement hoping for a shadow of reveal. He sighed to resolve to return the hardware store only to return to find the elusive thing laying inches from where he was floundering. He craps his pants in disgust. "
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You've been peeking into my garage again!
 
Years ago, I had a Mk3 kickstart with no detent for the ball to sit in when closed. I have no idea of the source. As I recall, it was notable for not folding back beyond 90° whereas they should fold in almost until touching the nut of the isolastic stud. You shouldn't need a 'strong' spring as it is the detent pronciple that holds it, not friction.

There isn't really any such thing as 'Genuine Norvil'...The name is part of a trademark game started by one of the larger dealers who no longer sells 'Genuine Norton'.

Andover Norton list a Mk3 Kickstart at £104 plus whatever it costs you to import it.

http://www.nortonmotors.de/ANIL/Norton% ... 08&Part=11
 
SvenSven said:
Its a real shame you can't "simply" just post simple photos on this web forum unless you pay or become VIP or President or Senator or something...:-)
-->FJ
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That's not true. You just have to open a free account with Photobucket. That is what I/we all started with and even thought my user name is blue, I still use Photobucket cause it is easy. A smart phone app and upload it automatically or with a press of a button. Edit it to 600dpi, copy the image link and paste it in the post and away ya go.
 
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