ignition conversion to electronic
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I bought Pazon Sure Fire for my '74. Mostly because I am cheap. The Altair is about 120 NZ more. It has worked fine for a year and a half. My bike sat for years before I got it. I could not get it to start with the original points and a new set. Put the Pazon in and it started right up.
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I am also in the process of a restoration and looking for an electronic ignition
I am looking at the Old Britts Power Arc ignition, At $312.00 it is not cheap, but that price includes plugs wires and the power arc coil.
It also looks very simple to install and set the timing
Does anybody have any experience with this unit?
Dennis C
I am looking at the Old Britts Power Arc ignition, At $312.00 it is not cheap, but that price includes plugs wires and the power arc coil.
It also looks very simple to install and set the timing
Does anybody have any experience with this unit?
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Dennis C said:
I've had no troubles with mine that were not of my own doing. Problems with the ground wiring had me going round in circles for a while. Once I got that right it's been great. Easy starting and nice stable idle. Hardest part of setup is finding TDC. Not bad if you have a dial indicator, even easier with the cylinder head off when you do it.
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chuckkett said:
The few I've run work fine. Currently there is a 20yo Boyer in place, works fine. It's said they (older Boyers, not the current ones) can kick back when voltage gets low. My battery stays well charged, haven't had any trouble.
chuckkett said:
It works, but it is dated. I for one would rather put something else rather than go with a Boyer. Although they don't make a Norton specific system, Ignitech http://www.ignitech.cz/en/ has a great fully programmable ignition system. I put one of their CDI units on my RD400 and it has performed very well so far another-ignition-consider-t4979.html?hilit=consider
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chuckkett said:
It works, but it is dated. I for one would rather put something else rather than go with a Boyer. Although they don't make a Norton specific system, Ignitech http://www.ignitech.cz/en/ has a great fully programmable ignition system. I put one of their CDI units on my RD400 and it has performed very well so far another-ignition-consider-t4979.html?hilit=consider
Jean
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Very happy with my Pazon Surefire after 2 1/2 years, very easy to fit and set. Just need a mate to stop the bike walking out of the workshop or home garage when you set the disc at 4000 rpm or 5000 rpm. Mine is set to 31 deg at 4000 rpm and works great through the whole rev range and idle is ver stable.
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I dont know if i understood well the instructions, but on my Commandos that have the 12 V Coils i use Boyer Brandseen (that you can use with 6V Coils too), while on my Commandos with 6 V Coils i use Pazon Sure Fire (that you cannot use with 12V V coils too) more cheap than Altair.
The difference about the two ignitions brand i cannot say, seems they work both good.
I would be very glad to know if I understand or i amin wrong.
Ciao.
Piero
The difference about the two ignitions brand i cannot say, seems they work both good.
I would be very glad to know if I understand or i amin wrong.
Ciao.
Piero
I have twenty year old Boyer on the mk3 Commando and fifteen year old Boyer on the 650ss. They are both one kick starters most of the time, only occasionally needing a second kick.
The electric start did not work well with a cold engine & Boyer as the ignition needs close to full voltage to fire. With a warm engine and fully amped up battery, it worked fine. The sprag eventually broke and kickstarting is easy, so I haven't bothered to fix the e start.
I understand that the new Boyer ignition deals with this starting voltage problem, should you ever decide to fit the Alton.
From reading this and other forums it seems there are a lot of happy Pazon customers, that would likely be my choice should I ever replace the Boyer. Right now it is not giving me any reason to do so.
Glen
The electric start did not work well with a cold engine & Boyer as the ignition needs close to full voltage to fire. With a warm engine and fully amped up battery, it worked fine. The sprag eventually broke and kickstarting is easy, so I haven't bothered to fix the e start.
I understand that the new Boyer ignition deals with this starting voltage problem, should you ever decide to fit the Alton.
From reading this and other forums it seems there are a lot of happy Pazon customers, that would likely be my choice should I ever replace the Boyer. Right now it is not giving me any reason to do so.
Glen
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pierodn said:
Both Boyer Bransden and Pazon both state that either two 6V coils or, two 12V coils may be used (in series) with their (Boyer Micro MkIII/MkIV, Pazon Sure-Fire) systems. However, both manufacturers recommend that two 6V coils (or one 12V double coil) is best.
Pazon Sure-Fire: http://www.pazon.com/files/PDF/PA2.pdf
Boyer Bransden Micto MkIII,MkIV: http://www.boyerbransden.com/pdf/KIT000 ... 00017_.pdf
Boyer considers two 12V coils to be "satisfactory" i.e. under certain conditions two 12V coils will perform adequately, however they say that two 6V coils "will give the best results"
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My first Norton was a 1974 MKIIA bike in 1980. I recall kneeling on the garage floor f-ing with these darn things way too many times. I swapped out for a Boyer, that's all that was available to me back then. After that, all was well being a "Set it and forget it" situation.
The point is that with my current bike which had the point still in place, it was the first thing to be changed. I got sucked into a Sparks unit that quickly fail and got replaced.
If it were me and my first time, I would keep it simple, reliable and economical. My experience with the Pazon Surefire has been just that and the warrantee is like no other at 7.5 years. Today there seem to be too many choice, with or without bells and whistles, to choose from. Stay away from new fangled gadgets that promise the moon. They lie.
If you want to add an extra measure of reliability, get a 5 ohm Dyna coil (DC-7). Stock coils fail like light bulbs.
There are many who will swear by the point and mechanical advance. Good for them. I am sure we will see them on the side of the rally route with the points cover off smiling from ear to ear.
The point is that with my current bike which had the point still in place, it was the first thing to be changed. I got sucked into a Sparks unit that quickly fail and got replaced.
If it were me and my first time, I would keep it simple, reliable and economical. My experience with the Pazon Surefire has been just that and the warrantee is like no other at 7.5 years. Today there seem to be too many choice, with or without bells and whistles, to choose from. Stay away from new fangled gadgets that promise the moon. They lie.
If you want to add an extra measure of reliability, get a 5 ohm Dyna coil (DC-7). Stock coils fail like light bulbs.
There are many who will swear by the point and mechanical advance. Good for them. I am sure we will see them on the side of the rally route with the points cover off smiling from ear to ear.
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I have a Tri-Spark and I find it amazing. No box to hide, and great spark at low RPM means no kick back and one kick starting. Excellent unit.
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