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Givi V35 hard bag mounting brackets (PLX style)

Discussion in 'Wanted' started by o0norton0o, Mar 4, 2018.

  1. o0norton0o

    o0norton0o

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    I recently acquired a pair of Givi V35 hard bags. There's no mounting brackets made for a commando for these bags. Thomas (canadiannortonnut) has a pair mounted on his bike that Bruce Chessel made the brackets for. They look awesome, so I am following in their footsteps. I don't think Bruce is making these brackets anymore, so my plan is to buy a pair of Givi mounting brackets, mock up all the modifications I need to make, then have a welder who I've worked with before, modify the brackets to work with my commando.

    These Givi brackets are over $200. brand new, then I'm going to cut them up... so I'm checking to see if someone here has a set to sell for less first, then I'll be biting whatever bullet I have to so I can finish my project.

    Thanks in advance for any help offered.
     
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  2. Danno

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    Why not just fab up the entire bracket(s) rather than cutting up something not intended for the purpose? Only stumbling block is the offset the V35 mount requires. The pegs and latch are replaceable items
     
  3. o0norton0o

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    If I had one to analyze and copy I would. I found a pair of V35 side brackets so my project is going forward.
     
  4. 850commando

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    I have drawn up the mounting frame to mount a givi top box on a stock 73 frame , and just need to get it cut and welded. (aluminum)..

    what bike are you using as a base for your starting point?
     
  5. o0norton0o

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    It's a givi rack for a Suzuki DL650. I had all kinds of challenges finding pictures of racks for the many different motorcycles for which Givi makes frames for the V35 bags I already acquired. Many of the sales images for different model racks, had the same stock image of a givi rack with the disclaimer saying, "the rack pictured may not be the actual product". This impeded my search for a specific frame that might need less modification to work with my commando.

    Eventually I just bought the rack for the suzuki, rather than spend incredible amounts of time searching through all the poor images of racks. I'll need to redesign the support arms to locate the bags where I want them anyway, then work with my welder to get it done. I'll paint the rack frame black and hopefully it won't be too ugly on the bike to leave mounted. The bags are quick release, so I can go without bags for sport riding locally, or pop them on and show up somewhere on the bike and not be empty handed all the time. (which was one of the things I hated about riding the bike, No cargo capacity!)
     
  6. 850commando

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    i had bmw bags for my r1100s, but they were so wide, i really only used them when touring, after i added the givi top box the bags just sat, so i sold them i now have a set of softsided bags to throw over the seat if the top box doesn't have enough space

    i've based my design of a rack i once had that bolted from the topshock mount and had a set of arms the went past the seat, which provided spacing and restraint...
     
  7. Danno

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    I have V35s and qd SW-Motech mounts. I can schlep a weeks worth of clothing etc to a central location, leave the bags and mounts in the motel and do some sporty riding, which is dicey with a loaded bagger
     
  8. o0norton0o

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    I didn't want permanant bags my commando for exactly that reason. Thomas's (canuknortonnut) bike with Givi bags led me to start researching the Givi QD bag systems. Sometimes I want to take the bike to places where I may have to bring a Six pack, a birthday present, or some necessary cargo. Driving the car there, instead of riding the bike, if it's a beautiful day is a sin!

    UPS delivered my PLX racks today. I held them up to the bike and none of the support arms are even close to where they need to be, but I fully expected that to be the case...
     
  9. Danno

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    I gotta admire someone who wants the best stuff for their bike and is willing to go out of their way to make it work. Good luck with the rack mods.
     
  10. robs ss

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    o0norton0o, I'm interested in your rack selection.
    Why did you choose PLX and not PLX-R (removable style)?
    Also - what lead you to choose those for the 650 Suzuki - rather that other makes/models?
    Cheers
    Rob
     
  11. o0norton0o

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    Thanks Danno, I'm a little OCD. Sometimes my obsessions work out well, sometimes not... My best friend used to say that a person as determined as I am should expect to fail occasionally precisely because I'm way too curious about trying to do most everything myself. My reach often exceeds my grasp, and I bite off more than I can chew, in water way over my head... I'm a little bit crazy I supose....

    Rob, As I understood it from my research, the PLXR had a whole extra "perch member" to each support arm with a propriatary "key" to lock and unlock the frame from that perch. That made the PLXR modification that much more complicated. Since I'm already redesigning the mount arms, I chose the PLX because it was cheaper, and I wasn't sure I could make the PLXR hardware work.

    As I said above, I had all kinds of trouble finding good pictures of the different PLX racks and determining if there is one that would be simpler to modify than some of the others. Eventually I just picked the suzuki rack hoping the lower support arm would be workable for the commando.... *It's not even close but I'll make it work.

    I'll post a picture when I'm done
     
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  12. robs ss

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    I look forward to seeing your handiwork...
     
  13. o0norton0o

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    I got to my welder friend's shop on sunday morning. It was a cold ride over there. He had stopped by previously and picked up my parts, so all I had to do is show up with the bike.

    here's what I had to work with.
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    I cut the frame's arms off the case's mounting hoop because they were incorrect for my mounting purposes.
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    The modified frame the welder and I fabricated is hard to see in this picture with the bags mounted on them, but you can see the unpainted arms of the frame in this picture. I took the picture in my driveway after a long day at the welders shop and put the bike away because the rain was on it's way.
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    I was off work, so I took the cases off and unbolted the new frame so I could paint the frame which traveled home unpainted from the welder's shop yesterday, carrying the cases for the first time without a single squeak. I'll take a picture this week of the bike without the cases and add it here if anyone's curious to see it's details and of course how the bike looks without the cases mounted.
     
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  14. Danno

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    Great job! I had V41s with qd mounts on my old ZZR 1200, so when I got the ZX-14, the V35s and SWM qd mounts were among my first purchases. They have been all over the country and always performed as designed, keeping my stuff dry and secure.
     
  15. 850commando

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    looks good
     
  16. robs ss

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    Looks like a good job - look forward to pics of the frame/bracket.
    One question - the bags appear to be very "aft". Why did you choose to do that rather than move them a little wider and overlap the shocks?
    It would seem that the closer to the top shock mount and passenger footage mount - the stiffer (better?) the installation would be?
    I'm considering a similar installation so am very interested.
    Cheers
    Rob
     
  17. o0norton0o

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    It took me a while to finish and it's been raining like crazy here, but here's a few pictures of my first attempt. It could be mounted higher. My eye wants to see a rack behind the seat too, but it will have to do for now until my OCD kicks in and I redo the whole thing again....

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  18. Danno

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    Looks great. Hope you're not taxing the rear loop too severely. It's reputation would make me slow to add a topcase and it's extra weight. If you do a mk II version, I would consider moving the whole works forward towards the shocks to reduce the leverage on the loop.
     
  19. o0norton0o

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    I purposely used a length of straight pipe off the stud on the inside of the upper shock mount to the top of the givi frame hoop so the downward pressure of the bags would also be restrained by the torsion between the upper support arm from the shock mounting stud and the lower arm off the Z plate. I don't plan to carry the cases often so I'm not all that worried about the rear hoop sagging. I just hated having no cargo carrying capacity and didn't like the options of, a throw over saddle bag, nor the look of the traditional cravens, and I certainly am not going to wear a backpack when I ride...

    I think I could have positioned them a little higher and more forward if I angled them up in the back end a bit. They would have looked more streamlined that way. Perhaps I'll make another frame one day and make that adjustment.
     
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  20. CanukNortonNut

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    Frank,
    That is looking great. Good job. love it.
    Cheers,
    Thomas
     
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