Fuel tank mounting stud nuts

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Can someone please tell me what nut will fit the fuel tank mounting studs on this tank? I have been unsuccessful so far finding ones that will fit. 5/16-18 is close but the thread pattern appears to be different. If you know of some I could order online that would be great. I think it is the roadster tank.

Fuel tank mounting stud nuts


Fuel tank mounting stud nuts
 
Should be AF (American Fine), also known as UNF.
24 threads per inch.

Nice tank.
 
I grew up using SAE wrenches, and always grab my 7/16" wrench when working on a 1/4" nut or bolt, 1/2" for a 5/16" and so on.

On my introduction to Whitworth/BS wrenches, things just made more sense. If you have a 1/4" bolt, grab your 1/4 BS wrench.

Back when Mr. Whitworth developed a standard bolt system, he experimented with different thread pitches and angles, finding which worked best for the materials on hand. He then determined the optimum head size - that bolt head which provided the most holding power for a given bolt diameter. The result was the Whitworth system. Decades later, when materials improved, British engineers re-examined these parameters, and found that the new materials didn't need such large heads, and a head one size down on the Whitworth scale was nearly ideal. This is why a 3/16BS wrench is a 1/8W. This allowed all those Whitworth tools out in circulation to continue to work.

A/F was developed for the export market, and A/F nuts and bolts will work with SAE, except the thread angle is not identical. A/F simply means 'across flats', which is how SAE wrenches are sized - measuring across the head of the bolt from flat to flat.
 
Rohan said:
How do you measure a 5/16 thread 'across the flats' then ??

But you don't use a 5/16 A/F spanner on a 5/16" Unified fastener. AF refers to the across flats dimension not the actual fastener diameter or thread pitch.


http://www.motorera.com/dictionary/AF.HTM
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_af_ ... rial_tools

Which spanner set would you use for 'coarse' NC/UNC fasteners?

= AF obviously, so how can AF be "American Fine" (an erroneous term, as there's no such thing as 'American Fine' thread)

Be careful not to confuse the letters AF when used to mean 'across flats', with AF used (erroneously) to indicate 'American Fine' thread. This is actually 'National Fine' and should be called NF or UNF.
 
Rohan said:
How do you measure a 5/16 thread 'across the flats' then ??

A/F fasteners are sized like SAE fasteners. A 5/16" bolt would use a 1/2" wrench, if the head is a standard size.
 
AF is mistakenly thought of as being the actual thread standard-so we have a situation where nuts and bolts etc. are often referred to as 'AF' (thus 5/16 AF) instead of 5/16 Unified.
 
I got lucky. Bought a yogurt cup full of nuts at a garage sale for $0.50 and it was full of the correct size to mount my tank. I was surprised when a SAE wrench fit but now it makes sense.
 
boz said:
I got lucky. Bought a yogurt cup full of nuts at a garage sale for $0.50 and it was full of the correct size to mount my tank. I was surprised when a SAE wrench fit but now it makes sense.

The majority of fasteners on a Commando will be UNF/UNC, however there are some Whitworth, BSF, BA, BSP, MA, BSC, threads.
 
jaydee75 said:
Don't forget to add Metric to the list of fasteners on later Nortons.

Agreed, the handlebar switch cluster screw threads on the 850 Mk3 appear to be metric, also the spin-on oil filter thread (1972-on), the rear master cylinder thread, and possibly the Veglia instrument stud threads?

That's about it, I think, unless you include the spark plugs? :wink:
 
In my shop I have all three sets of wrenches and sockets. SAE, Metric and Whitworth. It is all part of the charm of owning one of these bikes. When I first got into British bikes I figured towards the end of the Britt bike industry they would just grab any bolt they could find and if it fit it went on the bike. I know it is not true but I enjoy the looks I get from the uninitiated when I tell them you need three sets of tools to work on one of these and of course they have never heard of Whitworth.
 
L.A.B. said:
... also the spin-on oil filter thread (1972-on)...:wink:

That spin-on filter was originally specified for the Citroen 2CV, perhaps a common car in Europe in the '70s, but never a big seller in the US. Luckily, its the same filter specified for just about every Ducati made in the past 40 years. I usually get the K & N 153 - the nut on the end makes mounting a snap (doddle?).
 
L.A.B. said:
AF is mistakenly thought of as being the actual thread standard-so we have a situation where nuts and bolts etc. are often referred to as 'AF' (thus 5/16 AF) instead of 5/16 Unified.

So this is exactly the same as needing whitworth wrenches to work on cycle thread nuts and bolts. (as used by Nortons for eons).

Only cycle thread can also be called CEI, 26tpi or British Cycle Thread.

And as well as 26 tpi cycle thread, there is also 20 tpi cycle thread (coarse).

And, as well as whitworth wrenches, there are also BS wrenches, which are a size different ....

All is becoming clear !!?!!
 
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