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Discussion in 'Norton Commando Motorcycles (Classic)' started by comnoz, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. htown16

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    contribution on it's way
     
  2. Deets55

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    Jim,
    Was that Rotella T-6 blue jug or Rotella T-4 white jug.
    Pete
     
  3. comnoz

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    It was the T-4 conventional in the white jug.

    I will get the T-6 soon. Jim
     
  4. illf8ed

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    Alan Goldwater got into the chemistry a bit more in an article published in 1993. Not so much about wear but the constituents of oil that reduce friction and add to useful life of the lubricant. Thanks again Alan.
    http://www.nortonclub.com/docs/OilTemp.pdf
     
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  5. David B

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    $ on its way Jim.

    Your testing is much appreciated. The Spectro semi-synthetic, or at least the one I've had good luck with that is supposed to be a "high-zinc formula", is called "Golden 4". I've noticed my old Honda CBs shift a bit smoother than the Spectro conventional oil (which I used for a couple years) in the pic above. Would you like a quart of the synthetic blend sent your way Jim?


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  6. Mr. Rick

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    This article maybe puts a different twist on the "value" of the tested oils here?
    For instance, if the Redline ( as reported by Goldwater but not yet tested by Jim) could wait for 3000 miles before requiring change-out, but the Mobil 1 was all used up at 1000 miles, it wd require a correction factor of 3 to assess "bang for the buck". Does that sound right?
     
  7. comnoz

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    The oil that Alan tested was not the v-twin oil.
    It was car oil and is not even close to the v-twin as far as performance in an air cooled engine.
     
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  8. comnoz

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    If you send it I will test it. I'm always interested. Jim
     
  9. Fast Eddie

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    Just a quick comment to all those who are not in the US...
    In the UK at least, the Mobil 1 we can buy at Halfords etc is nothing like the Mobil 1 V twin synthetic that Jim tested here.
    I’m guessing Old Hall Performance or Opie Oils can supply it, but I haven’t checked yet.
    But do not buy the normal stuff from Halfords and think you’re getting what Jim got!
     
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  10. APRRSV

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    Hi Jim,
    I have a quart of Motul 5100 semi-synthetic I'd like you to test. It is the factory recommended oil for my Aprilia V twin. However, I've had it for a couple of years. Is there a shelf life for oil that you know of?

    Thanks,
    Ed
     
  11. comnoz

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    Last time I asked the tech guys at Mobil that question they said a few years was no problem but be sure to shake the oil well before using it.
     
  12. gortnipper

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    Some interesting pricing in NZ:

    Spectro Heavy Duty 20w50 is 15.30/qt
    RP XPR is 27.60/qt
    M1 Vtwin is 30.99/qt
    Motul 300v is 36.90/qt

    Looks like XPR is the bargain winner...
     
  13. comnoz

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    The Motul Lemans 300v is $33.00 for a 2 liter container here.
    I have never seen it in a 1 qt or 1 liter container.

    The royal Purple XPR 20-50 is $12.75 a qt here.

    These prices were on Amazon and included shipping.
     
  14. APRRSV

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    Hi Jim,
    I have a quart of Motul 5100 semi-synthetic I'd like you to test. It is the factory recommended oil for my Aprilia V twin. However, I've had it for a couple of years. Is there a shelf life for oil that you know of?
    OK Jim,
    I will send you a quart for testing.

    Ed
     
  15. DevonNorton

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    Following this thread with great interest!
    Some of the oils are not readily available in the UK but I found a couple of sources for Mobil 1 V-Twin Fully Synthetic 20w-50:
    https://www.customcruisers.com/cont...son-mobil-1-engine-oil-v-twin-20w-50-oil.html
    and
    http://www.custom-baggers.co.uk/con...-davidson-flht-electra-glide-maintenance.html

    There are several suppliers for Royal Purple - but prices are suitably regal!

    Andy
     
  16. gortnipper

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    Btw- 1 NZD = .67 USD
     
  17. SteveA

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    I have used this from Opie.....it isn't 20w50.....but it is affordable in the UK, can be supplied in France too via Amazon!

    https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-807-mo...vanced-four-stroke-motorcycle-engine-oil.aspx
     
  18. olympus

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    Great work Jim
    As the thread is now getting "spread out" at the end of testing is it possible all the data could be made up into some sort of folder or spreadsheet?

    Many thanks
     
  19. comnoz

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    I will be doing that and getting them all together into the first post.

    There are still some changes I want to make to the testing setup to get better results.

    First I need to increase the range of both the temperatures and the load.

    Then I plan on improving the oil temp control by adding oil cooling ability. It looks like some of my load ratings may be influenced too much by oil temperature due to friction.

    The I am adding a separate channel for friction by measuring and logging motor current draw.

    I have a few parts on order to do this -thanks to the generous support of you guys. Thanks.

    I also have quite a few more oils to test.

    I would also like to get a few of the oils that are not available in the US.

    So if any of you guys will put together a package with ~4 ounce samples of European/ Australian oils and ship them over I would pay the shipping.

    I have looked into shipping individual liters/quarts and it gets rather expensive. Jim
     
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  20. comnoz

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    Oils I have available or coming - yet to test.

    1- MPT Industries MPT376-20W/60 Hi-Performance Fully Synthetic Motorcycle Motor Oil

    2- Ravenol J1A1706-001 SAE 20W-60 Racing Oil - RHV Racing High Viscosity Full Synthetic

    3-AeroShell Oil Multigrade 15W50

    4- Klotz V-twin Engine Lubricant Multi-Viscosity, 25W/60

    5- Lucas Oil 10702 SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil

    6- Brad Penn Penngrade 1 Oil 20W-50 Motor Oil

    7- Quaker State 550035081 Advanced Durability 20W-50 Lubricant Motor Oil

    8- Castrol 03095 GTX 20W-50 Motor Oil

    9- Amzoil 20-50 motorcycle oil

    10- Amzoil 10-40 motorcycle oil -new and old formula

    11- Castrol R-40

    12- Motul 5100

    13- Amsoil racing 15w50

    14- Amzoil motorcycle 60w

    15- Amsoil Signature Series 5w50 automotive oil

    16- Amsoil DOMINATOR 15W-50

    17- Maxima Racing Castor

    18- Torco TR 1 MPZ 10W40

    19- Motul 7100 20w50

    20- Kendal GT-1 COMPETITION 20W50 conventional

    21-Kendall GT-1 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil 20W-50



    Plus I will likely be retesting some of the better oils I have already done.
     
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