first start up in 30 plus years!

staticmoves · Jul 26, 2012

Holy crap am I nervous!

Wish me luck and may the force be with me...........

- put oil in tank last night to let it drain down a bit and prime line. ( in between H and L )
- about 6 liters of fresh 91 in the tank with 150ml of sea foam.
- going to put about half a cup of oil in each rocker cover. ( good beta from a member )
- about to do a once over quickie check on head bolts.
- batt is fully charged
- carbs are synced and set ( benchmark )
- engine is staticaly timed to 31 deg BTDC ( combat )

Still nervous".............

bwolfie · Jul 26, 2012

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Good luck, I will be there in the next few days myself. So far it is holding all it's fluids. Just waiting to finish up the head.

Hobot · Jul 26, 2012

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Stillmotion, savor the proper pensiveness to flash back on now and then each new start off. Keep er' spun right up over 2000 for cam break in as rings should seat mostly in just a few minutes. If too rough to run well then shut right down and hunt reasons, then get back on 2000+ biips for a few minutes a go if no fan blowing. After say 10 min like this, let cool down, drain oil while nipping up all the fastners. Then head out into wild blue yonder runing up rpm in each gear and try to avoid any lugging. Should be correctly run in by return home. Can change out tranny oil too if it was rebuilt. I just returned from a sporting ride on Trixie and expect the high will last a few more hours. Tell others what path you will take and take some electric tools and screw driver and zip tires and tie wire with ya just in case, the next 1000 miles or so. Don't avoid redoing the exhaust rings on first or second good heat up while piping hot. Check primary tension while hot too.

staticmoves · Jul 26, 2012

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Ok so I tried to kick several times with no success.
I have fuel air and spark.
I removed the spark plugs to check for spark by depressing kill switch, I have spark.
The plugs did not smell of fuel so no gas had got to them. I had tickled the carbs and got gas from ticklers.
Before replacing the plugs I put about 1cc of fuel directly into each cylinder, I now got a sputter, but each time i got a sputter, it was followed by a wild kick back.

Any thoughts, I don't want to damage bike or myself.

ashman · Jul 26, 2012

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Are you running points??? if so your timing could be out 180 degrees, swap the plug leads over and give it a go.

Ashley

Hobot · Jul 26, 2012

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IF you get a spark by tagging the kill button then you have electronic ignition not contact breakers so implies you are too advanced to start or have the trigger wires reversed on low voltage. I found my Cdo very sensitive to initial timing or either did nothing or snorted and farted once only or back fired badly. Assume you are adv and creep back down time a Nth degree at a time till decent starting w/o back fire, then nail it down there. If retarding don't work, creep back up on adv. Leave time plate screws just finger tight doing this but don't forget to nip them up like me to have it go out of time right away, so had to tedium back on time. Can't depend on the factory dial so going by ear and foot feel best until crank has been degree wheel indexed and marked on rotor and dial, if one remains. After sweet running, then its correct practice to put a time light on it to note- report numbers or the errors in your Norton dial supplied. Plugs can foul permanently after some missfiring periods to keep that in mind with spare new plugs.

staticmoves · Jul 26, 2012

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Do you turn Boyer plate to the right or to the left to retard?

Hobot · Jul 26, 2012

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Ugh, teasing me on my turning cam plate wrong way huh. Cam turns CCW to crank so moving time plate in same direction as cam retards the spark and visa versa. Once startable you are very close to spot on so very easy to over shoot til no starting. Boyer wires WILL BREAK SOONER THAN LATER so if no easy joy then suspect BOYER WIRES HAVE BROKEN SOONER THAN LATER> Must upgrade soon if not already or all bets off on nice running.

Dances with Shrapnel · Jul 26, 2012

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As the hobot says, check the leads from the black box to the triggers beneath the points cover. With the leads reversed it can render strange results.

Turn the Boyer plate:
CCW to retard
CW to advance

pete.v · Jul 26, 2012

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Dances with Shrapnel said:
As the hobot says, check the leads from the black box to the triggers beneath the points cover. With the leads reversed it can render strange results.

Turn the Boyer plate:
CCW to retard
CW to advance

Although a little harder to get started, slightly retarded will keep the pipes from bluing up prematurely.

Torontonian · Jul 26, 2012

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Holy crap Batman ,may the force be with you young Luke and in this 30 year startup keep a fire extinguisher very handy. Of course you made sure the carbs were clean of 30 yr. pilot jet encrustations.

pete.v · Jul 26, 2012

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Hey, it's going on 3 hours now. What's going on?

staticmoves · Jul 26, 2012

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Torontonian said:
Holy crap Batman ,may the force be with you young Luke and in this 30 year startup keep a fire extinguisher very handy. Of course you made sure the carbs were clean of 30 yr. pilot jet encrustations.

The carbs have been well cleaned, total rebuild ground up. I will retard the timing a bit tomorrow and have another go at it then, we just put the little guy down to sleep, so spinning the bike up to 2000 a 5000 rpm may get the stink eye from the wife on that one.

CanukNortonNut · Jul 26, 2012

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staticmoves said:
we just put the little guy down to sleep, so spinning the bike up to 2000 a 5000 rpm may get the stink eye from the wife on that one.

LOL
Such is the Drudgery of domestic life.
You will get it going. What’s one more day in 30 plus.
CNN

staticmoves · Jul 27, 2012

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It's alive"............

Wow does this thing sound bad ass!

Good oil return to tank, 40 psi oil pressure at about 3000 rpm.

Unfortunately my kickstart hits the pipe, so I have an MKIII on the way, and my new gas line leakes at the crimp joint to hose.

Video will be posted shortly.

DogT · Jul 27, 2012

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CanukNortonNut said:
What’s one more day in 30 plus.
CNN

When your 30, one day is 1/10950th of your life. When you're 68, it's 1/24820th of your life, roughly. It feels like it too. That's why time passes faster the older you are.

We don't need no stinkin' gas leaks/fires. Best fix it.

Dave
69S

staticmoves · Jul 27, 2012

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr6AutI3LR4

If the link works here is the video of the start up

staticmoves · Jul 27, 2012

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Video link works.

So I will most likely have to renew the already new gas line, need to fasten battery better, have some stay up floats and new o rings for carbs on the way, next time I start the bike I will have new kick lever on and heat it up good, then check engine bolts, primary chain, change oil, double check rear wheel and sprocket alignments and retighten exhaust nuts when hot......... Then maybe the on road run in around the nabourhood. Then a repeat of the above mentioned.

Then I shouldn't have to touch it for the next 30 years.....

If only that we're true.... 8)

Decemberist · Jul 27, 2012

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Happy for you man, hearing my 74 commando start for the first time that is 8 years older than me was a great feeling....I suspect it was the same for you base on that shit eating grin on your face. nice job and enjoy!

P.S. Put more that 100 miles per year on her, seeing an old Norton with only 6k on the odometer just seems wrong.

iceteanolemon · Jul 27, 2012

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staticmoves said:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr6AutI3LR4

If the link works here is the video of the start up

Nice to see another Norton running! I know the feeling of bringing it to life, its irreplaceable!

Thanks for posting!

first start up in 30 plus years!

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