Finally getting there

comnoz · Jul 7, 2010

I am thrilled to say the first of the production fuel injection units has been installed and is running. I still have cleanup work to do on the installation and the price is still in the $1.5 million area so I am not sending them out yet, but we are getting there. Jim

click · Jul 7, 2010

Hi Jim,

Wow, NASA would be proud!!

I just about have enough knowledge to appreciate what you are doing :mrgreen:

Fantastic work, I'm actually excited :lol:

Kevin

hobot · Jul 7, 2010

Dang, what will be next ABS brakes!
NASA wouldn't spend the time effort and fitting this tight a kit and
make in look pretty too boot. Final road ready set up must
be a study in routing and fittings for all the components.
BTW about how much Cfm are the injectors capable of flowing?

hobot

pelican · Jul 7, 2010

looks good, unobtrusive

splatt · Jul 7, 2010

hobot said:
Dang, what will be next ABS brakes!

hobot

Already fitted as standard from factory

debby · Jul 7, 2010

Good work, Jim! I'm glad to see you're finally getting near the payback stage.

Is this one going on a CNW build? That looks like one of their customs. I guess we know what the owner's favorite color is!

Debby

comnoz · Jul 7, 2010

debby said:
Good work, Jim! I'm glad to see you're finally getting near the payback stage.

Is this one going on a CNW build? That looks like one of their customs. I guess we know what the owner's favorite color is!

Debby

It's one of CNW's older builds. Orange it is.

comnoz · Jul 7, 2010

hobot said:
Dang, what will be next ABS brakes!
NASA wouldn't spend the time effort and fitting this tight a kit and
make in look pretty too boot. Final road ready set up must
be a study in routing and fittings for all the components.
BTW about how much Cfm are the injectors capable of flowing?

hobot

The injectors are 19lb. The throttle plate is 42mm. Cfm is more than enough. Jim

swooshdave · Jul 7, 2010

comnoz said:
hobot said:

Dang, what will be next ABS brakes!
NASA wouldn't spend the time effort and fitting this tight a kit and
make in look pretty too boot. Final road ready set up must
be a study in routing and fittings for all the components.
BTW about how much Cfm are the injectors capable of flowing?

hobot

Click to expand...

The injectors are 19lb. The throttle plate is 42mm. Cfm is more than enough. Jim

For one of hobot's superchargers? :mrgreen:

comnoz · Jul 7, 2010

swooshdave said:
comnoz said:

hobot said:

Dang, what will be next ABS brakes!
NASA wouldn't spend the time effort and fitting this tight a kit and
make in look pretty too boot. Final road ready set up must
be a study in routing and fittings for all the components.
BTW about how much Cfm are the injectors capable of flowing?

hobot

Click to expand...

The injectors are 19lb. The throttle plate is 42mm. Cfm is more than enough. Jim

Click to expand...

For one of hobot's superchargers? :mrgreen:

I will build him a special one. Jim

rgrigutis · Jul 7, 2010

Just when I've kinda figured out concentrics and pwks!

comnoz · Jul 7, 2010

rgrigutis said:
Just when I've kinda figured out concentrics and pwks!

With this if you want to rejet or play with the timing you just plug in the laptop and play to your hearts content. And you don't end up smelling like gasoline. Jim

rgrigutis · Jul 7, 2010

Like a grand national or Pontiac '89 turbo trans am.

Holmeslice · Jul 7, 2010

Strong Work, Jim!

Now, can we hide it in a pair of 932s??

Cheesy · Jul 7, 2010

If you dont mind a few questions what computer and fuel pump are you running?
Im guessing that it will be electric start as well or are you running more teeth on the pickup to make it think its running faster?

hobot · Jul 7, 2010

I will build him a special one. Jim

The calculation for Thermal Efficiency (TE) is:
HP = TE x FUEL FLOW (PPH) x 19,000 (BTU per #) / 2542.4 (BTU per HP per Hour)
which reduces to:
HP = TE x FUEL FLOW (PPH) x 7.473
solving for THERMAL EFFICIENCY: TE = 0.1338 x HP / FUEL FLOW (PPH)
solving for FUEL FLOW: FUEL FLOW (PPH) = 0.1338 x HP / TE
If in gallons per hour, the Thermal Efficiency calculation is:
HP = TE x FUEL FLOW (GPH) x 5.92 (# per gallon) x 19,000 / 2542 (BTU per HP per Hour)
which reduces to:
HP = TE x FUEL FLOW (GPH) x 44.25
solving for THERMAL EFFICIENCY: TE = 0.0226 x HP / FUEL FLOW (GPH)
solving for FUEL FLOW: FUEL FLOW (GPH) = 0.0226 x HP / TE
Then >> FUEL FLOW = 0.1338 x 300 HP / 0.283 (28.3 %), or
FUEL FLOW = 142 PPH or 24 GPH.

YIKES > JIm's kit can feed ~230 hp !!!!!!!!!!!

Say What! OMG!
I'm not worthy > I'm not worthy >
Aggghhhhhh, Wooooooo >> 60 seconds of Garth expressing for me >>
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80612493/

comnoz · Jul 7, 2010

rgrigutis said:
Like a grand national or Pontiac '89 turbo trans am.

Well a little bit. I don't know what tuning platform you were using on a Grand National but this system is much more capable and tunable than anything that was available in 89. And user friendly enough that your kid could tune it [maybe you couldn't but you kid could]. Jim

comnoz · Jul 7, 2010

Cheesy said:
If you dont mind a few questions what computer and fuel pump are you running?
Im guessing that it will be electric start as well or are you running more teeth on the pickup to make it think its running faster?

I am using a Keihin fuel pump [although the pump in the picture is a no longer available Subaru pump that I was testing with]
It is kick start, I am using an offshoot of the BG microsquirt ecm. The main modification is a second ignition system to provide the ability to kickstart the bike. [IE spark and fuel before processor synch]. It uses two pickups and two m-n wheels. Jim

comnoz · Jul 7, 2010

Holmeslice said:
Strong Work, Jim!

Now, can we hide it in a pair of 932s??

Of course-if you've got the money honey. Jim

comnoz · Jul 7, 2010

The calculation for Thermal Efficiency (TE) is:
HP = TE x FUEL FLOW (PPH) x 19,000 (BTU per #) / 2542.4 (BTU per HP per Hour)
which reduces to:
HP = TE x FUEL FLOW (PPH) x 7.473
solving for THERMAL EFFICIENCY: TE = 0.1338 x HP / FUEL FLOW (PPH)
solving for FUEL FLOW: FUEL FLOW (PPH) = 0.1338 x HP / TE
If in gallons per hour, the Thermal Efficiency calculation is:
HP = TE x FUEL FLOW (GPH) x 5.92 (# per gallon) x 19,000 / 2542 (BTU per HP per Hour)
which reduces to:
HP = TE x FUEL FLOW (GPH) x 44.25
solving for THERMAL EFFICIENCY: TE = 0.0226 x HP / FUEL FLOW (GPH)
solving for FUEL FLOW: FUEL FLOW (GPH) = 0.0226 x HP / TE
Then >> FUEL FLOW = 0.1338 x 300 HP / 0.283 (28.3 %), or
FUEL FLOW = 142 PPH or 24 GPH.

YIKES > JIm's kit can feed ~230 hp !!!!!!!!!!!

Say What! OMG!
I'm not worthy > I'm not worthy >
Aggghhhhhh, Wooooooo >> 60 seconds of Garth expressing for me >>
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80612493/[/quote]

You forgot 80% max duty cycle on the injecotrs- so 185 horse. Jim