Electric start (2013)

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Hello Everyone , I hope someone can advise please , my electric start commando just cicks at the solenoid when the button is pressed , can anyone shed any light as to what the problem coud be
thank you Tom
 
Most likely either the battery is dead or discharged, or there's a problem with the starter motor or heavy starter cables?

Did this happen suddenly, or has the bike been laid up for a while?
 
Battery is brand new but the bike has been laid up for a couple of years , ive had the starter motor off and when conected to the battery it works ok so maybe the fault lies with the solenoid
regards Tom
 
Check the starter wiring connections at each end, often there is corrosion there which can cause this problem.
My MK 3 has a bad starter button, I have to wiggle it around to find the place where it makes good contact, otherwise pushing it just produces a series of clicks.

Glen
 
Will it kick over with your foot? There was a recent post about a hydraulic lock with the bike being laid up for a while. Get a voltmeter and see if there is power at the starter end of the solenoid. I don't know if there is anything else that could go wrong with it
 
tommy666bikes said:
Battery is brand new but the bike has been laid up for a couple of years , ive had the starter motor off and when conected to the battery it works ok so maybe the fault lies with the solenoid

If the solenoid clicks but the starter doesn't turn, a simple way to test the solenoid is to bridge the two stud contacts with a piece of heavy wire or a substantial lump of metal (the jaws of a pair of pliers for instance). If the starter then turns it's likely the solenoid is faulty.
 
So....what did the problem turn out to be? We all like to hear the post-mortum results.
 
Hi Everyone and thank you to all who advised me on this , i have removed the starter motor and tried it direct from a battery and it spins over as it should , i then tested all the HT leads with a voltmeter and they all check out ok , anyway i bridged the 2 HT terminals on the solenoid as advised and nothing at all happened so i think it looks like the soleniod has given up the ghost , anyway i have ordered a new one from RGM motors and when it arrives ill let you all know if that cures the fault , once again many thanks for all the help its good to know forums like this are available and long may it continue
regards Tom
 
tommy666bikes said:
i bridged the 2 HT terminals on the solenoid as advised and nothing at all happened so i think it looks like the soleniod has given up the ghost ,

When the stud terminals are bridged, it bypasses the solenoid and sends battery current directly to the starter motor.

So, if nothing happened, then that would indicate the problem is not the solenoid (unless you did this test with a heavy negative starter wire disconnected, either at the battery, solenoid or starter motor?).
 
A voltmeter will not necessarily show up poor contact on battery connections, unless testing is done under load.
By HT leads do you mean the battery to starter leads? I normally read HT to mean "High Tension" as in 15,000 volts or so through spark plug leads.
If there is a poor contact somewhere in your starter wiring, you might still show full voltage with the tester and could have a trickle of amperage flow through, enough to make the click, but that is all.
For example, I recently had an oxidized battery terminal connection on a tractor. With key on enough current could flow through the oxidized connection to allow all of the low draw accessories to work, tailight, sprayer controls etc. Turning on the headlights was too much tho, this would shut off everything else. The starter system got just enough current to make the solenoid click, no more.
Available Voltage everywhere read normal, but not under load of course.
A good cleaning of the terminal and lug made everything work as should, starter included.
So if you have not already done so, take all connections in the starter circuit apart and clean them, a brass brush works well but any wire brush will do. Even if they look relatively clean already they may have a layer of oxidation impeding the flow.

Glen
 
Hello all , thank you to everyone who helped with this i have now solved the issue , it turned out the solenoid was knackered ,so i drilled out the rivits on the original solenoid and cleaned up the terminals and guess what??? it now works a treat
regards Tom
 
Battery is brand new but the bike has been laid up for a couple of years , ive had the starter motor off and when conected to the battery it works ok so maybe the fault lies with the solenoid
regards Tom
Mine did this too, and started on the bench ok as well, however It is shorted somewhere in the armature,
and depending on where it stops in relation to the short, will determine whether it will run or not, check for shorts, from the commutator to the laminated core.
 
Mine did this too, and started on the bench ok as well, however It is shorted somewhere in the armature,
and depending on where it stops in relation to the short, will determine whether it will run or not, check for shorts, from the commutator to the laminated core.

It was 9.5 years ago… Tommy has probably sorted it by now…
 
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