Dual use Peel tires

Just thinking out loud and rubbing in how limited dangerous scope of operation is for pavemnent & off road specialized cycles compared to my tri-linked rubber baby buggy. The new 100x19" Roadrunner is not enough tire patch for my hard braking needs I found out on factory Trixie Combat's Lockheed hot nail upgrading secure too easy squealing-lock up so donating to Wes with a drum brake '71. The 130x18" soft Avon race rear Canaga gave me for clearance testing is too old in the bead area so breaking up from tire tools and won't air seal to rim for Tubliss use. [Not a typo]. Peel is too damn easy boring-unexciting no challenge of skill or handling on pavement even in Phase Three and Four sideways wheelie off peg and hi sided twists in air steering so decided not to follow the beaten path of pavement only oriented tires. Full knobbies are rough, noisy, wear fast and not speed rated enough. The 80/20 on/off road tires don't climb muddy wet leafy creek banks very well so end up like a flat tracker too crossed up spinning fishtailing to climb back out predictability, so not re fitting my prior favorite sports bike spanking semi-tractor Dunlop tires. Almost settled on Dunlop 606's reading the reviews but see they get a bit squirlely on road racing. http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/53 ... -rear-tire http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/53 ... front-tire

I've settled on Continental TKC 80, 120x19" 80 or 70 profile and 130x18" 80 rear to buy today.
http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle- ... al-tkc-80/

tubliss

I looked at tubliss a few yrs ago for f650, but could only get the 19" for the front and the rear was 17". it would be interesting to see how it would perform on a just slightly wider rim say 2.5-2.75" i see myself with about 19"-2.15 front and a 18"-2.5 rear down the road

are you using spoked wheels or cast alloy, drilling an extra hole for the inflator of the tubliss may require checking to ensure spacing

Steve, have you considered using flat track tires? They also work really well on pavement.

http://www.aaracing.com/tires__tubes.aspx

http://www.maxxis.com/catalog/tire-435-113-dtr-1

Ken

I have pow wowed a number of times with the Tubliss inventer/vender to tell ya d/t physical contraints and type of market its not effective/practical for Tubliss to be made for larger rims than Brit Iron factory sizes. Tubliss is sold only for off road not hi speed road use d/t legal protection but reviewing with inventor its construction and locked in place function we think it should work fine way over the ton and has run flat ability by continuing to pinch bead to rim all the way around and to ride on the 110 PSI inner-inner tube no edges of rim, which is why the desert rock humpers love it. My P!! had 3 rim locks to prevent rim spinning in tire which is another sales point for drag race leaps on slightly under inflated slick. Btw can not fit a tire that's had a rim lock used with Tubliss as the slight bead indention won't seal air though sometimes and put goop RTV in to get by.

Ken, Kelly George spent some intense time detailing me on his tires 27 front 27.5 rear where and why and when to cut em this way or that. SHARP New Edges rules his pilots Rooster Tails. They are easy the softest compound I've ever felt, womans breast sprang instantly to mind. Definitely some day will test on pavement, skid pad to race track but they will be worn out in one good go on Peel power. so got to start off cheaper and safer less gripy semi hi speed dual purpose. I know what to watch for in rider descriptions on and off tarmac so read a bunch of em - mostly recommending my second choise Dunlop 606 to catch a comment by a BMW off roader that the TKC80 hung fast canyon roads better faster getting to and from the adventure parts. oh yeah Maxxis or other real f.t. tires only come in 19" so I recoil to work up another rear wheel. When I get loose on Peel its not like flat trackers do except the quick far out rear spin swing, but they counter steer crossed up to avoid hi side by a long drift, Peel invites further out faster side toss to hi side and land lined up for most straight shot trust so minimal tire spin trust wasted by dividing it up into two vectors instead of all forward. Peel-me will be ready to go public when I can keep her rear spinning to shoot up a loose steep till loosing momentum then flip full lock straight steer to toss rear 180' around over head and shoot back down nil let off. With the big drains of major Peel parts done I can test tire combos but expect to end up liking some dual tread radial on rear and bias on front. If a motorcycle needs much front tire traction to steer they better not follow Peels lines. It takes me many weeks of just riding to get sense of a new bikes behavior into my muscle-bone reflexes so like and kittens games it turns into efficient hunting skill later. Track day would shred dual use tires heat and speed wise so will use normal BI race tires there. Peel's starting to look wicked wife says.

TKC80 are rated as 40 off 60% on road so consider them training wheels and plan to move up to higher speed tires after they get chewed up and I learn to ride Peel again. I've a wide Harley 16" wheel I'm pondering for its tire section for springs and hill climbs and sand dunes a few hours away.

Hi Steve, is Mrs Peel going to be run this year?
Please post pics and video of initial start up and rides if possible
Regards Mike

If the creek don't rise, deer stamped or hell freeze over Peels coming together this year. I used to relax after school by tarmac blasts on the P!! but its never relaxing on THE Gravel there & back plus hwy's here so risky i'm sort of settled on Steve McQueen pasture type flings to get my adrenalin Kix. Real off road tires are mostly flat profile and trip out on far over leans and squirm on the knobbies so reports says these TKC80's don't do either. Some pastures are like an ocean of swells others like grass covered cones a few hundred feet tall though full of gofter holes ya can drop a bowling ball and tool box in. A crazy thing that tempts me is to ride across water which would take flatter profile big knobbies or sand paddle rear tire i'll have for sand dunes. Will soon create a Peel photo history but next edition is full of thorns and needles and sharp points so hope I ain't shown enough yet to make full sense of. Will pow wow with Kelly George for my own front yard dirt track and MX rut circle jerking.









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I had a 1150GS and loved the bike, and its traction/tires. Sold it ,went back to the Norton, installed a set of Metzeler Tourances on a whim.Used two fronts with the rear one turned around. Wow do they work good,nice handling, really good grip in the rain. And I can coast down , hands off without a wobble starting. However I do run tubeless, so your results may very.


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Pretty neat tire jimbo and in direction for Peel 2nd set of tires as I get hi speed/over 100 competent. I can't find a speed rating for them I recognize. I know what big clunky tall looking hi displacement boxer BMW's can do on Mt Hwy so what ever they like I pay attention to. Thing is if its not more tractor tire than street tire then its not worth much off road especially on THE Stoney Grinder and not optimal on pavement but race slicks in soft compound work a treat on THE Slutty Stuff and obviously for race track benefit. Aired down soft they go up pretty steep dry rough stuff - long as momentum maintained or spins out or dig in unable to climb any more so only one way back down, which is rather harder to control regardless of tires.



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They do work pretty good in the dry,it depends on hard you go, my bike is a heavy high speed tourer, not a racey corner carver. And they work good on gravel roads. However since they are grippy they don't wear very well.

Another tire I really like for dual use is the Avon Gripster. I use them on my FZ600 powered XL600, and they work really well on pavement, as well as in the dirt. Unfortunately, they only come in a 21" front and 17" rear, so you couldn't use them on Peel without new rims. I really like the feel of the 21" front in the dirt. Avon rated them as 60% on road and 40% off road. TKC80 is also 60/40, so maybe would also work well. I guess we'll have to wait and find out.

Ken

hehe like young bull saying lets run down the hill and slip into a warm Jersey, while old bull says go on I'll just walk down and try em all on. I feel flow of remaining weekends left to get my sea legs going on Peel extremes so mainly considering extreme ends of tires, raw off road or pure race track. For my '72 Trixie and Wes's '71 the Gripsters would work a treat but we both know better than get too racy on those anywhere. THE G-world is like little wire brushes and bench grinders to tire groove edges and grooves just roll and throw stones as can't bite into the hard base lubed by finer grit so the tire groove patterns only help in softer dirt or grass and leaves. To make Gravel throwing effective takes paddles or such soft a compound it envelopes the stones from rollings to act like claws in place before thrown back. THE Dry Gravel is too severe a master to press turns with much spirit so not my focus nor reason for Peel's tire type, just Snotty Shit I can't avoid. A flat track tire would be best Gravel tire I can imagine and must try them someday but they are rather softer than road race rain tires. !st/only new set of Perella Diabloo DOT tires on my wimpy SV650 were 1/3 gone after only two flat tracker back to back opposite turns I allowed rear to show upper 90's mph while going 70's and could of given it a bit more but fear of surprises in blinds. I just felt lucky and need to really test the soft compound outside its element as was advised against it but made SuVee pretty handy Graveler but still too silly to enjoy pastures. Btw when Peel showed upper 90 mph in same section she was going lower 90's for sense of how much easier she was on pavement she is than what I call corner cripples, because they slow down or fall down just when its getting fun. Once tires free'd up on tarmac its exactly the same behavior as handling THE Gravel just way easier secure.

Still the 2nd best fastest funnest grippest surface I've tested Peel on is THE Gravel after a light rain or snow melt that's drained away discharging repelling charges off crystalline edges locking together with a layer of clay oozed up til slightly tacky to feel like riding on duct tape ya can wrinkle up by tire grooves digging down and jet thrust back. The Numbero Uno surface is a few yr old fine rock embedded tarmac after a hard rain has washed it clean then impacted by ionic explosions of shattering water drops re sharpening the crystalline embedded edges. Both surfaces leave fuzzy velvety rubber surface with road texture imprinted like a finger print.

Ken something happens over the ton on loose surfaces, It feels like a light boat getting on a hard plane in slight wind chop - only way I know to handle that state 'comfortable' is to try to match power increase while loosing traction to still accelerate enough to keep the dangerous stupid dangerous tire out of much traction effect or soon as let off all hell breaks loose. If ya can ride over wet salt I bet ya can ride across water too.



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