Discussion in 'Access Norton Pub' started by robs ss, Nov 25, 2018.
Apparently this has been minted in honour of the impending event...
There seems to be no way back from neoliberal globalism.
Nice coin, wrong pose. After recent weeks it should be Merkel on a Deutsche mark - now they realise they will need to bail France out alone once we have gone. How much longer can the French go on denying that they are skint ''Ohh, lets put taxes up to recover some money, damm, the streets are on fire, lets abandon the taxes'' the root cause is still there.
Merkel may have a plan, she could send the million the immigrants to France that she let in, a bit of cheap labour will help the french surely.
I was in Sedan in May and sadly it was a tip, the castle was well kept, but the properties surrounding the moat, some empty and covered in graffiti, smashed windows, along with the town centre in a similar state, it was shockingly degraded and messy, unlike the various other parts of France I have visited in the previous 35 years.
If the UK was making that much of a mistake, then the 120+ immigrants that floated / paddled / stole boats to get across the channel last month to Dover can't be wrong, if they risked their lives on trying to get here during the winter across a tricky stretch of water.
So Brexit IS about xenophobia ? What is the difference between a threat and an opportunity ? - It is probably all in the mind. If you think constructively and progressively, rather than believing you are being swamped by morons, you might do better. In Australia, we have country towns which are struggling for population to make them viable, yet we still have people who are paranoid about immigration because our bigger cities are becoming crowded. The main problem is there is little work in country towns. But it does not have to stay like that. It simply takes thought and planning. A lot of the problem is that we now buy most manufactured goods from China, so our economy has no basis other than mineral exports and a bit of rural production.
Its only xenophobia if you want to stop all immigration, there is a difference between uncontrolled and controlled immigration. A points based system is the way to go, identify the current shortages and allow people who would fill these shortages in. Allowing uncontrolled immigration just allows the problem to be moved around and in fact made worse.
The UK cannot sustain over 300,000 a year, plus it's own indigenous population growth. I was in Germany last month and the engineers I spoke to were expecting to pick up the tab for Frances financial mess.
Maybe not an issue in Aus, but one evening last week it was taking 2 hours to get from Bursledon to Fareham on the M27, a distance of 3 Miles on the M27. The cause was an accident at Portsmouth, a further 11 miles down the motorway.
The UK is full and we need to control who gets in.
That’s a fair point. Spending quite a bit of time in the US recently made me realise the same. Whilst it’s always great to get home, and I do love our island, it really is small, and it really is crowded. We have to reach a point sometime soon where it’s recognised as full!
Global population growth is the underlying factor in climate change. However the only way the rate of population growth has ever been slowed has been through education. It is now probably now too late to stop a global catastrophe. With a large global population consumerism is also large, however businesses become more economically viable. So greed accelerates the whole process. If we banned religion and concentrated on educating people to find better ways of making a living - we might slow the inevitable.
In Australia, most politics are about the economy and balancing the budget. So spending on regional development and decentralisation are not usually a priorities for governments. Skilled migrants bring money, so we don't like asylum seekers. The result is that Melbourne and Sydney are becoming over-crowded. In the end it comes down to one problem - if you live in a country town, there are very few ways to make a living.
That article, on France's "yellow jacket" riots, just nails it.
Please read it Acotrel, to the end.
And yes, if you want lower birth rates, education is good but wealth is better.
Wealthy women, around the world, tend to have less children.
Some scary statistics in that article.
Irrespective of the historical reasons and ones political beliefs, those numbers are bad. Is France the next Italy? Is Italy the next Greece? Who pays for it all??
The problem, worldwide, is that egalitarian extremism and its violent insistence on equality of outcomes (as opposed to equality of opportunity) deters and defeats entrepreneurship. Property acquired is confiscated by totalitarians, socialist demagogues, leading envious masses. Why build anything? Wealth declines and birth rates rise. Disaster by simple good intentions.
There is one of life's lessons we all must learn - 'the system runs on bullshit'. Once you understand that, you will never be disappointed because your expectations are not so high. I never worry about fakes because I know what they are saying and NOT saying. In Australia it is also from top to bottom, but not quite so obvious. All any of us can do, is be aware and help others become aware. My engineer son once said to me 'Dad what you told me about Australian workplaces is all true'.
I was born and raised in Texas but now currently live in Japan. They are having a heck of a time here with their dwindling aging population and are opening up immigration. However they created laws by which to control it.... not just open borders as such. Something like if your unskilled you can come alone and work on a 5year visa. If your a professional than you can bring your family and maybe have a path to citizenship, not really sure since I just briefly read over it some while back. My parents were teenagers and Londoners that lived thru the blitz. Later they immigrated (legally) to Houston. I grew up American with the idea that "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" was a given quantity and the norm. Now that I'm older I see just how special that is. Yes some people's idea of the pursuit of happiness is getting on welfare /the dole, but having the freedom to do what you want in a country that protects you via the rule of law, is why many risk the journey. In the 80's I worked with a fellow from El Salvador, what his family went through....
The system runs on bullsh*t, and debt.
The bullsh*t will go on, but the debt cannot.
So how many of us here will live to see the sh_t hit the fan? I do wonder.
I fear we will not have long to wait.
Back to the original topic - Britons will oust May, and force a "cold/hard' Brexit. May not be perfect, but it will save them.
As for the EU, there will be a very cold, very hard reality that will ensue. Especially now that Trump is tightening the noose on excessive global handouts (we'll help you through commerce, not handouts).
God help them all (with no apology to acotrel).