Autonomous cars are still cagers

gortnipper · Dec 21, 2017

And they crash into bikes

http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Cruise-reports-its-first-injury-involving-12445072.php

grandpaul · Dec 21, 2017

I wonder if it was texting?

acotrel · Dec 21, 2017

gortnipper said:
And they crash into bikes

http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Cruise-reports-its-first-injury-involving-12445072.php

They have got a special magnet attached to the steering link which can read motorcycle number plates and steer the car to get you.

Danno · Dec 22, 2017

From brain dead to no brain at all, still the same.

oldbeezer · Dec 22, 2017

I'd prefer to take my chances with an autonomous car rather than one where someone texting is also trying to drive it.

Fast Eddie · Dec 22, 2017

Bottom line is that autonomous cars, and even more so, autonomous trucks, will make roads safer and traffic flow better. Of that fact there is, I think, no real doubt.

But, that ain’t good enough for us quirky animals. You see, contrary to those road safety zealots who cry “if it saves one life, it’s worth doing xxx” the fact is, that ain’t true, actually we are ready to accept accidents caused by humans (and we are, otherwise we would reject motor vehicles and have horses and carts), we choose to accept the risk in order to have the benefits.

But, when an accident is caused by a robot.. by “the machine” ... well, that’s different! We react very negatively to this.

So, we’ll have to go through quite a circus of litigious cases and high profile accidents before we ‘learn’ to accept that safer roads cost lives...

Seriously, our entire ‘value system’ around this has to change, and that can’t happen overnight.

S’gonna be interesting...!

acotrel · Dec 22, 2017

What would be the difference between going somewhere in an autonomous car or going by train and taxi ? It is just as mindless.

ashman · Dec 22, 2017

Well how many times have you been in traffic and a motorcycle has come past you lane splitting and you didn't know they were there till they were past you and if its a quite bike, really it scares the shit out of you as it happens so fast, many years ago I seen a person get hit by a bike that was going inbetween traffic that was stopped and the person was crossing the road, it happened so quickly both didn't even see each other it only takes a split second to happen.

Ashley

Fast Eddie · Dec 22, 2017

acotrel said:
What would be the difference between going somewhere in an autonomous car or going by train and taxi ? It is just as mindless.

The difference is huge. You’re retired Al, so maybe it’s difficult to relate to. But for a busy person to just step out of the office (or whatever) get in their car, tell it where to take them, then work or make calls or whatever until they get there...

No booking, no dealing with faceless f*cking Uber, no being let down, no cost, no f*cking about with train schedules, strewth, it’s a no brainier...!

I’d have one tomorrow !

robs ss · Dec 22, 2017

It will be interesting to watch the first case in court where an autonomous car has erred and killed someone.
Who is legally responsible for that death? The owner? designer/programmer? manufacturer? legislative approvers?
I imagine it won't be long.

Rob

Fast Eddie · Dec 23, 2017

I believe that owners will have to sign to agree to the terms and conditions, like when you agree to use an I pad, I phone, etc. That T&Cs will state that YOU take responsibility.

It won’t stop the legislative machine tho, there’ll be a lot of cases till we ‘learn’ how to deal with it as a society.

Danno · Dec 23, 2017

robs ss said:
It will be interesting to watch the first case in court where an autonomous car has erred and killed someone.
Who is legally responsible for that death? The owner? designer/programmer? manufacturer? legislative approvers?
I imagine it won't be long.

Rob

There was a crash caused by an autonomous experimental car that did not recognize the white side of a semi trailer and hit it like it wasn't there. But I don't think anyone was killed. Multiple layers of corporate separation and abdication of responsibility (modern business practices) mean the first wrongful death lawsuit will take years to settle.

acotrel · Dec 23, 2017

In Australia, when there is an incident where gross negligence results in a death, it usually attracts the charge of manslaughter. What constitutes 'gross negligence' if the computer is driving the car ?

Mikko · Dec 24, 2017

Hello and Merry Christmas to You all

Finnish plan for the intelligent road transportation
https://www.liikennevirasto.fi/web/en/e8-aurora#.Wj98eM5gK_c

acotrel · Dec 31, 2017

As Maxwell Smart said 'If only he used his genius for good instead of evil' ?

Fast Eddie · Dec 31, 2017

ludwig said:
Full autonomous cars are a terrorist's wet dream :
Stuff it with explosives and take a plane to somewhere safe .
Then send the car with your I-phone to Times Square and push the button ..

Sadly, that is a very good point.

acotrel · Jan 1, 2018

The Nazis were very good at science and technology. All knowledge can be put to good or bad use and some things are perversions. If you live your life fearing them, your life will probably not have quality. Where there is a risk, you simply need to manage it. With terrorism, there is always somebody nearby who knows when bad things are about to happen. All security is based upon information - getting people to inform on one another. The Muslim community needs to be educated to see advantage in stopping terrorism. Currently in Australia, our politicians' rhetoric is very dangerous. It seems to make psychotic people paranoid, so we have incidents where innocents are killed and injured.

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