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Anyone put a single seat tail on a dual seat frame?

Discussion in 'Norton Motorcycles (Modern)' started by GKRyder, Nov 25, 2016.

  1. GKRyder

    GKRyder VIP MEMBER

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    Anyone done this and is it complicated?

    Looking at ordering the tailpiece, seat, ecu bracket to suit.

    Am hoping it's just several bolts and would work out in terms of looks and fit.

    Regards.
     
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  2. BPHORSEGUY

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    I don't tink its that simple, I think the frame is altered Ifirk! I'm sure Richard will chime in on this!,
     
  3. richard-7

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    I'm sure it would work. But the tail cap that replaces the pillion is actually really well done. Plus it comes with the bike so no cost or work. If you really wanted to limit the look of a pillion bike then remove the rear foot pegs. I wish my bike was dual seat. But I would need a different frame. My dad is convincing me to weld in gussets and buy a dual tail section but I'm not doing it.
     
  4. Voodooo

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    Richard,
    Do you have a manual for the single seat tail section R&R
     
  5. Raphi

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    According to the question about a manual for tail section removal I have a specific request. I am trying to remove the plug shown in following pictures. It is the connection to the number plate illumination and rear indicators.
    Does anybody know, if it is possible to remove the wires and reuse this plug or has it to be replaced after removal?
    Thanks for any suggestions.
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  6. richard-7

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    I will make a manual for that. My dad has removed dual seat tails. But none of us have removed single seat tails. I'll take mine apart and capture it. But it may take a few weeks to get to it.
     
  7. TonyA

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    There should be a pin extractor available . I say this because the plug looks very familiar to me working in the electronics industry. There should be a tool that pushes out the pins after the little lock tabs are compressed. I will send along a picture of the tool I have . Unable to send pictures right now. I have an AMP (brand name) p/n 305183 . Looks like it will work for those pins.


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  8. Raphi

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    Thank you Tony!
    This was of great help.
    Raphi
     
  9. NortonFactoryUK

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    The rear sub loom can be removed by removing the rear tail light, and disconnecting the wires from it. Then disconnect the indicators and rear number plate light, the sub loom will then remove from the tail unit without the need to de pin the 6 way molex plug you have photoed.
     
  10. Voodooo

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    So what you are saying is no wires need to be cut and no wires need to be removed from the plug connector itself?

    How about the select button on the instrument (Speedometer / Tack Gauge panel) Do those wires to the select button unplug without cutting?
    I'm swapping the original anodize instrument panel and yolks to the polished pieces.
    Thank you!
     
  11. NortonFactoryUK

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    So what you are saying is no wires need to be cut and no wires need to be removed from the plug connector itself? = Correct

    How about the select button on the instrument (Speedometer / Tack Gauge panel) Do those wires to the select button unplug without cutting? = yes
     
  12. Raphi

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    Thanks Simon,
    Fact is that I have LED indicators and this makes it a bit more difficult for me to undo the wiring. With OEM indicators it would be easier...
     
  13. GKRyder

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    Sooooo......

    It all fit. Single tail unit on dual seat frame.
    No cutting wires or de-pinning connectors etc.

    But...It is not a 20 minute job and care needs to be taken to route the major wiring loom parts into seat channels which may or may not go easily as they are tied to suit the 'ease' of building with a dual seat unit and all the space it has. (Well my bike seemed like that).

    Dual seat is done well but for me...I just love that single seat look - like what I originally fell in love with circa 2008.

    Going back would take me about and hour with a beer pausing too look at the bike.

    No piccies coz I know you guys know how it looks.
    Just has pillion peg brackets as well :)
     
  14. bpjthornton

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    ** Hello GKRyder, where did you get your single seat from? I was going to start a new thread, but think this covers it. My thread opener was going to be........ **


    Hi all, quick question and a request ;)



    Question; My Manx Silver 961 is fitted with a dual seat but I’d like to fit a single seat (I’d leave the foot-pegs or blank the hole). Is it a straight forward swap? I heard there may be some complications due to ABS units, but my 961 doesn’t have ABS.



    Request; Has anybody got a single seat for a Commando that they would like to sell me? Or if you have a single seat and you’d like a dual seat I’d be prepared to do a swap, pegs and all.



    Cheers



    Ben
     
  15. Fast Eddie

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    Well done with this he swap over GKRyder.
    Is it possible to post some pics please, of the fitment, or under the hump, etc?
     
  16. GKRyder

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    Sorry gents for tardy reply timing.

    Fitment is fine all round.

    Obviously you still see the gusseting/extra frame as with the dual seat.

    Will get more pics of under seat but you buy the matching bracket for single seat that take ECU and electronics as per factory.

    All purchased directly from Norton. (Tailpiece, Seat , bracket).

     
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  17. bpjthornton

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    Cool, I'll request a single seat from the factory. Keep you posted on cost ;)
     
  18. GKRyder

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    Cool, you'll love it.
    I just took care routing the cables into the channels/indents in the new seat unit.

    I recall Norton (Callum) asking which ECU I had as the correct bracket had to be ordered.

    In total I ordered:
    RCU Bracket
    Single Seat Rear Tail Single Seat Black/Gold
    MK1 Seat

    It took 2 weeks to get the unit painted at the time.

    All the best!
     
  19. bpjthornton

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    Hey All,

    I’ve managed to get myself a single seat from the factory. It’s taken alot of badgering but we’ve finally got there. Not sure how many they have as this particular one was dig out from the bottom of an old store cupboard. However, I’ve hit an obstacle; Under the seat unit we have a number of boxes and connectors. Boxes I’m identifying as Large ECU box, fuse box, tip sensor and little small box which is mounted on rubber band type thing. Please correct me if wrong.

    The Norton factory also supplied me with a bracket to mount all these boxes on.

    My issue is, I can’t seem to fit it all in under the seat ( hilarious really, if you think of all the dual seat volume vs single seat volume conversations had). I have the non ABS Commando. The issue seems to be around the big ECU box. Anyone got any tips or thoughts on this? Has anybody had to do any grinding. Maybe I don't have the right bracket?

    Cheers

    Ben

    I'll try and post some pics once I've worked out how to embed pics.
     
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