Andover Fuel level tool 13.1688

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I purchased this Amal concentric level tool a year ago, never used it, got it out today.
Consists of four items, instructions are kinda generic ,
The bottom nozzle (1) appears way too long.
The clear tubing (3) too small in diameter,
confusion on where/how to use the crimp ferrule (2).


So how are you using this ?

Cutting off the nozzle to 10mm instead of 30mm?
maybe the tubing will fit after the beaded end is cut off?

I love Andover and buy most of my Norton items from them.
This is not a complaint.



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Put the hose end in some hotterated water if need be to push it on, I doubt the crimp would be needed.
 

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Put the hose end in some hotterated water if need be to push it on, I doubt the crimp would be needed.
Right - when I bought mine it didn't come with a crimp. It make no difference how long the bottom nozzle is.
 
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Wonder why "fuel level" tools are now needed with the "upgrade" of stay-up floats and were not necessary with OEM floats. :rolleyes: Also, not sure using foam for float material can be called an "upgrade." Actually, I am sure... it can't. ;)
 

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This form of device has been around for decades and a good way to get balanced actual fuel levels in the float bowls.
I can't see it having much to do with 'stay up floats.
 
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Change in type of fuel probably the biggest reason for float change.
 

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Change in type of fuel probably the biggest reason for float change.
I haven't ever seen the old type floats melt or have any issues but the tank on my fastback melted
And I have had petrol pipes delaminate
 

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And, there’s a few folk on here that have said retro fitting ‘old‘ floats, even into new Premiers, has cured some running issues...
 

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Does anyone on here have experience/photos of the plastic one failing?
 

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Does anyone on here have experience/photos of the plastic one failing?

This one from my Commando fractured along the joint and partially filled with petrol causing the carb to flood.
After emptying, a running repair was done with a hot tool to seal over the crack until a new float could be obtained.
 
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Does anyone on here have experience/photos of the plastic one failing?
yes, but only once. Annoyingly it was when I took my bike for its MOT. It was parked outside the place ready for collection when a young lady motorcyclist (who was betting her bike MOTd) came by and said there was a petrol leak from that old bike over there.... pointing at my Commando. Petrol was leaking from the tickler. it turned out to be a leaky float, I could hear petrol inside it when it was removed. (it had already passed its MOT, so I kept quiet and rode it away discretely turning the petrol tap on and off as required...)
 

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So the crimp ferrule (2) was to secure the clear hose?
The ferrule is way too large for this application.
I thought the ferrule might for a holding fixture for the tubing up the side of the Amal.

I am guessing no one has purchased this kit.

I would think a metal plate, held by the adjacent hole, to hold the float pin in place would be a great kit piece to add.
This would allow testing the float on the work bench instead of on the Amal.

Maybe the extra long nozzle (1) enables clamping of the Amal float bowl, in a tiny vise, on the work bench?

 
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So the crimp ferrule was to secure the clear hose?
The ferrule is way too large for this application.
I thought the ferrule might for a holding fixture for the tubing up the side of the Amal.

I am guessing no one has purchased this kit.

Are you sure the ferrule is too large? They close down a hell of a lot when crimped with the correct tool
 

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Does anyone on here have experience/photos of the plastic one failing?
Yes, I have a Trident that was running great when I bought it. One day a couple of weeks later, on a short ride it started running terrible and when I stopped, gas was going everywhere. The right hand carb was flooding because the float quit floating. I don't know how old the floats were, but they looked close to new (whatever that means).
 

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And, there’s a few folk on here that have said retro fitting ‘old‘ floats, even into new Premiers, has cured some running issues...
IMHO, they fixed a symptom, not a problem.

New Amal float bowls have the seat adjusted to put the fuel level in the correct range with the plastic float and Vitron-tipped float needle. Therefore, if no one has screwed with the seat height, with a plastic float the fuel level should be in tolerance. Also, the StayUp floats are supposed to be manufactured to have the fuel level in tolerance without adjustment, but they are adjustable (bendable) so people often adjust them incorrectly.

A big problem I've seen is people bending the tang portion one way and the "arms" to the float the other. This makes the float appear to be properly adjusted using the quick test of holding the pin and turning the bowl upside down, but when checking to see the fuel level at shutoff, the level is way off. I just finished fixing a 79 T140E with this exact problem - the left carb was on the edge of flooding at all times and the plug would foul within 50 miles - the right side was running perfectly. After adjusting the float correctly, the plugs ran identical. The tang part should never be bent to adjust them.
 

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New Amal float bowls have the seat adjusted to put the fuel level in the correct range with the plastic float and Vitron-tipped float needle.

A big problem I've seen is people bending the tang portion one way and the "arms" to the float the other. The tang part should never be bent to adjust them.

Hi Greg,
What is the correct fuel level range of a new Premier Amal?
What is the correct method of bending the metal of a stay up float?
Thank you

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