AGE AND VIEW ON NEW OWNERS

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Hi guys - Just a thought, I wonder if young gents / guys will ever be interested in our bikes. There has been a movement into Cafe racers, some reflecting back to older bikes ,but will the the true spirit of the commandos be of interest to the new generation ?

Keanu Reeves has two, and seems to enjoy them, is he young 53, not really probably not .....

It's hard to say how they will be valued by say a 25 year old when he is 40 ish, or will he favour some thing that he knew when he was young, just like us, so what will happen to our wonderful bikes as time passes ?

By the way I am 60.
 
Good Q and hard to know the answer. The Commando is probably too much for a newcomer to the sport. The newer bikes (E-Start,ABS) with the retro styling is popular now at least. It ties in with better/fashionable gear and events like the Distinguished Gentlemens Ride and such. I don't see any kids watching MotoGp and saving up to buy sportsbikes like in my day. The Commando was before my time (I'm 46) and all I saw growing up were Japanese bikes. As I got older new bikes bored me so I looked to the past and found a treasure in the Commando 7years ago and I've been here since.
 
My 25-year-old son thinks my bike is 'awesome', he loves going for a spin on it with me, and is definitely a fan; but being a lighter build than I am he's struggled to start it when I've tried to show him how, and would struggle with moving it around manually. I'm sure he would learn with time, but he's very busy, for which reason he would also be an absolute beginner at maintaining it. I think he'd want to keep it, but he'd find it hard work ...
 
It will be interesting to see what happens,I hope there's some kids out there that will take the mantle and ride/maintain an old bike, I'm 57 and when I go to autojumbles and shows etc it's very rare to see people younger than myself so it looks like it's doomed to just die out,if anyone talks to me about my bikes I'm happy to talk with them young or old ,the thing is I still enjoy thrashing my bikes if I blow them up it's my fault and build it better next time,but for someone buying an expensive old bike that they have no clue about what's going on inside the engine that would be pretty daunting I'd imagine!! Cheers
 
Interesting question. A lot of the interest is generated from the fact that you saw them in your younger days and want them for the nostalgia. I am 52, grew up in the 70's and love that era of cars, bicycles, music etc. Regarding motorcycles, I really did not have much interest, so I did not notice them back then. I did have a moped when I was 14 or so but for years said I would never ride a motorcycle. Frankly, I did not know much about Commandos until my friend told me about the one that I have.

I have two sons in their late 20's early 30's and both love the bike. My younger son has quite an affinity for it and appreciates the way that it rides and the artistry in its lines. He also recognizes the absolute 'coolness' factor of this bike. I think there will be plenty of interest in younger generations for these bikes if they are exposed to them. But the fact that they are becoming rarer because of crashes and neglect meas there is less chance to acquire one. Some will inherit them, others will be lucky enough to come across one in a barn and bring it back to life. Maybe with an old man with fond memories looking over their shoulders.
 
Look at a lot of the classic car shows, and the high prices auctions bring. Many buyers did not spend their youth lusting after Broughs or Bugattis because they saw them running around in a race on TV. Artistry and cool always wins in the end.
 
I wish I'd had the cash, back in 1966 when I was working for N-V, to have bought a new Commando at the employees' price. I'd have brought it to the US when we emigrated two years later. I thnk Boeing would have shipped it as pert of our household goods.

I'm not sure about starting to ride on the opposite side of the street after so many miles of riding in the UK as part of my job. In a 4-wheel vehicle. your have the constant "cue" of sitting on the opposite side of the vehicle, not so on a motorcycle. Maybe it's as well that I couldn't afford to do it.
 
With most bikes now redundant after 5 years old, the restoration of the current crop will not be like a Commando and the like in the future, in 40 years time you will see Commando's, but I doubt you will ever see a Panigale and the like outside a museum.

There are plenty of youngsters in the Commando scene, most have probably topped up their licence, and thus want to enjoy the classics.
 
frankdamp said:
I'm not sure about starting to ride on the opposite side of the street after so many miles of riding in the UK as part of my job. In a 4-wheel vehicle. your have the constant "cue" of sitting on the opposite side of the vehicle, not so on a motorcycle. Maybe it's as well that I couldn't afford to do it.

dont underestimate the power of your habits.
 
The thing that saves the Commando from oblivion is that it is such a fantastic ride. There will always be people who fall under the spell of a Commando. There is nothing out there that is remotely similar and the fact that there is pretty much 100% spares availability is the icing on the cake. Iron out the bugs and there is nothing impractical about the Commando. Need an electric starter? You have a choice. And really, parts are dirt cheap! The only expensive part is that cylinder head!

Last Saturday I did about 300 miles into the country to visit relatives on the old family farm and when I came back, I just wanted to keep going. There are a million other bikes out there, but there is nothing, literally nothing, that I would trade it for.
 
frankdamp said:
I wish I'd had the cash, back in 1966 when I was working for N-V, to have bought a new Commando at the employees' price. I'd have brought it to the US when we emigrated two years later. I thnk Boeing would have shipped it as pert of our household goods.

I'm not sure about starting to ride on the opposite side of the street after so many miles of riding in the UK as part of my job. In a 4-wheel vehicle. your have the constant "cue" of sitting on the opposite side of the vehicle, not so on a motorcycle. Maybe it's as well that I couldn't afford to do it.

What a load of bollocks.
I first went to France in 79 after riding/driving on the left in England for a few years, it takes about 10 minutes to drive on the opposite side before you get used to it.
Since then I've done thousands of miles on a bike in France , Spain etc and never give it a second thought.
sam
 
I think that this is a good question and probably one that many of us have contemplated. Many of the qualities that have drawn people to the Norton Commando in the past, will continue to do so in the future. There are so many positives to Norton Commando ownership, of which have been talked about throughout this forum, that I will not mention them all. But in a modern world where we are surrounded by homogenised products and speed cameras, they make a lot more sense than a 200hp current model motorcycle.

I see a few hurdles to younger demographic owner however, the most obvious two being money and time. On the money front, the initial purchase price of a good Norton Commando is getting up there now. This is a good thing to us current owners and product vendors, as it means that our bikes are worth reinvesting in with rebuilds and new parts etc. I’d like to think that I am still young at 42, but that is probably stretching it. I’ve owned my Commando for 22yrs or more now, but I was an anomaly. Remember that this was before the ‘old school is cool’ movement of recent times. I was ridiculed and laughed at by my peers for riding an old dunger that leaked oil. Now they say I’m lucky that I can afford one, forgetting that I purchased it when they were more affordable!

The problem now and in the future is that education and housing is very expensive in most parts of the western world. Now you need a degree first to even be considered for training in most occupations. Therefore, by the age of 21-22, you already have a debt of $20K-$100K+ and you haven’t started working yet. Then you start trying to save and accumulating your belongings, of which for most people, the last thing on the list would be an expensive toy such as a Norton Commando. Probably before you get to the toy stage you start saving for a house, which in our largest city the average price is over $1M and more than twenty times the national average salary!

Second problem -time. Of the lucky few that earn extremely good salaries at a young age and are so inclined to spend their disposable income on toys such as motorcycles –more specifically Norton Commandos. We all know that Norton’s are like horses –they require care and attention. These youngsters will be working long hours building their careers. If they have the mechanical aptitude to work on the bike themselves, which is a dying skill amongst the general population, they will quickly find the time needed to maintain these machines frustrating. Sure, they could farm it out to someone else, but those people are dying off and becoming harder to find.

Then we have electric vehicles and the eventual problem of getting fossil fuel, as well as driverless cars -where in the near future, no one will know how to drive anyway.

But there is hope! So, get out there and offer rides to your children, your friends children and nieces and nephews before it’s too late! If you have a collection, offer a ride to a mate or colleague. Don’t leave them hidden away, we need to infect as many young people with the bug of Norton ownership if we wish future generations to experience the joy of a Norton. That’s where it happened for me. Firstly, at the age of four or five on the back of my dad’s Triumph and then around the age of 12 when my dad’s mate used to visit our house on his Norton 750 Commando. That bike sounded like a mechanical thunderstorm to me. Never lusted after a Triumph, but as soon as I saw and heard that Commando –I just had to have one. So, from that day on I saved every cent from my milk and lawn mowing rounds until I had enough money to buy myself one. Now I don’t have the time to ride it! :(
 
Billson, the answer to your question is Yes, there will always be an interest in Nortons by the younger folks. To what degree I don't know. I bought my 74 Roadster in 1980 when I was 20 yo. My first street bike. I wanted a Harley, but they were about $3000 used. I saw an ad in the paper for my bike, they wanted $1000.

I flew over there with cash in hand and bought it. Reason being when I was 14 yo in 1974, a friend of mine pointed out a black and gold Roadster and said" See that bike, that's the baddest motorcycle around".

In 2012, I was trying to help a younger guy,30 yo, buy his first street bike. My nephews friend. I've known him since he was a teen. I kept emailing him some great deals for newer Harley's. Dependable, low mileage bikes. Electric start etc.. Well I went to Sturgis that year, and when I got back, my nephews friend called me. He Said" Z, you're going to kill me". I said" Why's that"? He Said..I just bought a 1971 Norton Commando Roadster for $3000. I said, why did you do that? He said..Well, when I was about 14 yo, I always used to see your Norton in the garage when I visited and thought that bike was a bad Mutha F@#cka. I told him no problem, at least I know how to work on them.

Anyway, since then we have rebuilt his 71 from the ground up, then we did my 74. In a few weeks we are going to pick up a junk 74, and bring that back to life. So yes, the tradition lives on!
 
There are large numbers of young people in big cities who are enthusiastic motorcycle riders, mechanics and customizers. An old riding buddy's son and some of his friends live in a large house in Chicago with a 3-car garage full of their own bikes and the bikes they fix up and flip. Dad has a MkIII and the son, who loves bikes in general, really appreciates the Norton. I'm sure these type youth co-ops are aware of old Brit bikes, but the people they deal with are younger, interested in cheap transportation for the city, rather than classics and collectibles. But someday when their incomes have risen, their waistlines have expanded and their tastes become refined......
 
It is really funny to me to hang out with 20ish people who listen to music from the 1970s more than I do.
 
rvich said:
It is really funny to me to hang out with 20ish people who listen to music from the 1970s more than I do.
That's something I've noticed too! My son, a friend's daughter, their friends ...! Pleasantly surprising! :D
 
Few things last forever. A driverless world is very close. A world without petrol or petrol that is at least affordable comes with it. Regulations will
surely close down old bikes and cars for daily use. You still see the occasional brass car on an outing but it is rare. So too will be the sight of a
Commando .
Ride now. The end is near. :-(
 
My 15 year old son loves my commando, when I fitted a R90 handlebar fairing to it, he went on so much that it was spoiling the looks, that I eventually relented and took it off, to the detrement of my riding comfort. He has varied success learning to kick start it and he always reminds me it's his when I've finished with it. He hates any bike I have with any form of bodywork.
I suppose at 46 that I am still deemed as one of the younger owners, I've had this bike since I was 19, the problem with the oncoming generations will be their spannering skills to be able to keep them fettled. Mind you, 2 years commando ownership should give you 15 years spannering experience :?
It was the bike to have when I was a boy, the appeal never waned by the time I hit the road and the chance came to buy this one during my apprenticeship, I've never regretted it, highs or lows.
I suppose I would need to give him custody of it while I'm still in the pink so he can use me for reference.
The numbers of professional mechanics who have specific commando knowledge is also going to fall rapidly, thats why this forum is crucial reading for me, theres no one down the pub I can bounce theories off about my commando, not so my suzuki bandit.
Start brainwashing them young I say. :D
 
Fullauto said:
The thing that saves the Commando from oblivion is that it is such a fantastic ride. There will always be people who fall under the spell of a Commando. There is nothing out there that is remotely similar and the fact that there is pretty much 100% spares availability is the icing on the cake. Iron out the bugs and there is nothing impractical about the Commando. Need an electric starter? You have a choice. And really, parts are dirt cheap! The only expensive part is that cylinder head!

i have to agree with this, for different reasons.

i've been forcing triumphs around corners since i was 16 years old, and have BSAs and other stuff as well. i have a buell that won't corner unless i climb on top of it and jump up and down to get it to lean. i own one commando, and i love it. i don't understand why it handles so well-- almost dead neutral in the corners and picking up the front wheel when i crank it after. i know very little about nortons but this is a machine that i love, anyway, everything except the 1970 purple metal flake paint, which i refuse to paint over because that's what it came with . . .

anyway, this isn't the fastest machine i own (my morgo triumph with a 21/47 is much quicker and faster) but that doesn't matter--this is the bike i start up and take to town when i only have time to run one.

why is that?
 
speedrattle said:
Fullauto said:
The thing that saves the Commando from oblivion is that it is such a fantastic ride. There will always be people who fall under the spell of a Commando. There is nothing out there that is remotely similar and the fact that there is pretty much 100% spares availability is the icing on the cake. Iron out the bugs and there is nothing impractical about the Commando. Need an electric starter? You have a choice. And really, parts are dirt cheap! The only expensive part is that cylinder head!

i have to agree with this, for different reasons.

i've been forcing triumphs around corners since i was 16 years old, and have BSAs and other stuff as well. i have a buell that won't corner unless i climb on top of it and jump up and down to get it to lean. i own one commando, and i love it. i don't understand why it handles so well-- almost dead neutral in the corners and picking up the front wheel when i crank it after. i know very little about nortons but this is a machine that i love, anyway, everything except the 1970 purple metal flake paint, which i refuse to paint over because that's what it came with . . .

anyway, this isn't the fastest machine i own (my morgo triumph with a 21/47 is much quicker and faster) but that doesn't matter--this is the bike i start up and take to town when i only have time to run one.

why is that?

OMG - purple metalflake rocks! I have an old tank and side covers that need painting, and when i do, flake it is.
 
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