Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby cjandme » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:19 pm

Besides, it makes for an interesting read for you guys...
That's the spirit Swooshdave, I love this stuff. Cj
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby swooshdave » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:35 pm

Got a call today. The guy called Buchanans and got the offsets. He wants me to come down and confirm that's what I want. Unfortunately I won't be able to get down this week unless I luck out and make it Friday after work and before he closes at 4pm. Saturday is out, probably not appropriate to skip the funeral to take care of the wheels... But it looks like I can take next week off so Monday is looking really good, assuming the shop is open then. Which it probably won't be, so... Tuesday. Sigh.
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby cjandme » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:17 pm

oh well, tuesday it is then, sounds like the guy is gonna do right by you if he called to find out about the offset. Cj
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby swooshdave » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:36 am

cjandme wrote:oh well, tuesday it is then, sounds like the guy is gonna do right by you if he called to find out about the offset. Cj


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Rear went on and looks good. It there some trick to getting the rear axle spacer on that doesn't require profanity? Need some help getting the front wheel on, not easy when it's on the bench. I'll know then if the front offset is right.

Tab was $204.
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby pvisseriii » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:46 am

swooshdave wrote:Rear went on and looks good. It there some trick to getting the rear axle spacer on that doesn't require profanity? Need some help getting the front wheel on, not easy when it's on the bench.

Tab was $204.

Profanity is a requirement along with a wonder bar in the right location between the speedo drive and swingarm.

As far as the front goes, I be right over. Common man, the front's a breeze, especially on a bench. :mrgreen:
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby swooshdave » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:39 pm

pvisseriii wrote:
swooshdave wrote:Rear went on and looks good. It there some trick to getting the rear axle spacer on that doesn't require profanity? Need some help getting the front wheel on, not easy when it's on the bench.

Tab was $204.

Profanity is a requirement along with a wonder bar in the right location between the speedo drive and swingarm.

As far as the front goes, I be right over. Common man, the front's a breeze, especially on a bench. :mrgreen:


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I got some help. Everything went together perfect. I thought the front might need to be adjusted as the disk was off but then we got the bike down and I snugged up the disk and there's no runout. My brother will be back on Friday so we can mess around with a bunch of stuff, like the new muffler mounts.
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby Carbonfibre » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:02 pm

An error which is made time and time again by people in regard to wheels, is not making a not of the offset before taking the wheels apart. This is very easily checked, using a straight edge and a steel rule. Put the straight edge onto the outside surface of the rim closest to brake drum, and using the rule measure the distance down to rim centreline, then bring the straight edge close to the brake drum face, and measure distance from drum face to face of straight edge bearing on the rim, then add this to the measurement taken earlier and thats the offset required.

Some people think the offset is measured from edge of rim, but this will put things way out if a different width of rim is fitted, so always work from rim centerline to datum such as brake drum or disc mounting face.
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby swooshdave » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:13 pm

Carbonfibre wrote:An error which is made time and time again by people in regard to wheels, is not making a not of the offset before taking the wheels apart. This is very easily checked, using a straight edge and a steel rule. Put the straight edge onto the outside surface of the rim closest to brake drum, and using the rule measure the distance down to rim centreline, then bring the straight edge close to the brake drum face, and measure distance from drum face to face of straight edge bearing on the rim, then add this to the measurement taken earlier and thats the offset required.

Some people think the offset is measured from edge of rim, but this will put things way out if a different width of rim is fitted, so always work from rim centerline to datum such as brake drum or disc mounting face.


If you recall the original intent was to ship the hubs to Buchanan's and let them build the wheels. Of course that didn't happen and I went with Plan B, but in the end it all worked out. I did save a little on the deal, especially shipping. And I have a new place I trust to take my wheels to. Well, as long as they are still alive. That place had a definite patina going on!
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby Carbonfibre » Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:20 pm

Guys in small shops are often much better at building wheels than the big well known places, who very often dont do that good a job, and always charge top money.
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby swooshdave » Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:56 pm

Carbonfibre wrote:Guys in small shops are often much better at building wheels than the big well known places, who very often dont do that good a job, and always charge top money.


Sadly, most of those shops won't last. We should enjoy them while they last.
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby T95 » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:01 pm

dave,
The wheels and bike are looking good! You should be out enjoying the warm spring days in no time!
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby swooshdave » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:21 pm

T95 wrote:dave,
The wheels and bike are looking good! You should be out enjoying the warm spring days in no time!


Apparently you're not familiar with the spring weather in the Pacific Northwest. Spring is the wet season that last until July 4th...
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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby DogT » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:37 pm

That's quite a seat you have there Dave. I think I would last about 15 minutes on that one and would have to get off and have a Margaretta. Looks good though.

It was 82 here yesterday, but 52 today. Typical Va. weather.

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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby rvich » Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:25 pm

Last winter I learned about truing the wheels I had. This winter I am building new ones and learned something that is probably worth posting somewhere...

I don't know how common it is, but my spokes threaded far enough into the nipples that I could feel the end of the thread when I ran my finger across them. The threads have a sharp edge. It drove me nuts! So I took the wheel apart (yes after getting it nice and true), and used my Dremel to round off the ends of each spoke so that it presents a polished dome if any of it sticks through the nipple. I know it gets a rim band but the idea of those sharp edges working their way toward my tube just wasn't going to let me leave it alone. I will never building another wheel without polishing the ends of my spokes first, just in case.

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Re: Wheelbuilding 102 for Dummies

Postby DogT » Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:47 pm

I had to grind off some of my spoke ends much less polish them.

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