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TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby internetannoyance » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:13 pm

Mark wrote:
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Hey!
This picture is my desktop background. :lol:

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Damn Nabbitt,,, i gots to get the hang of this picture posting thing soon. I have another pictue here of Gene Romero you guys might like.

Its from about 2-3 years ago. Most years I attend the Clubmans Show in San Jose every spring. Epic show, not to be missed. So each year, on the same weekend a well known business man who has a passion for bikes and racing puts on a indoor flat track race there at the same fairgrounds. (I believe he also bank rolls Romeros flat track race series) So, theres also a banquet on the friday nights and theres a wealth of famous racers and personalities who attend.
So, several friends of mine were there and one guy was pointing out some of the more well known, and there was posters of legends of racing, and many of these guys pictures were on the posters. I went around and got many of the pictures autographed, (the founder of the BUB speed meet and their land speed racer and the rider were there too,, i got pictures of that as well as autographs).

So, there was Mr Romero. Standing at the doorway to the fairground building where the banquet is held. I walked up, he was smoking and drinking beer. I noticed something was odd,, the thing was there was a matronly security guard lady there giving him grief. He was not amused with her. It was kinda tense and here comes my dumb A** butting in.

"Excuse me Mr Romero,, can i get your autograph? and a picture with you?"

Clearly she didnt know who she was harrassing, Kinda like those Chuck Norris Quips,, "Chuck Norris rides motorcycles so fast the worlds rotation matches his speed" or "Chuck Norris will hit you so hard your ancestors will feel it". So she clearly had no idea. It was Gene F*#K'ing Romero Dammit,, WTF?

So Mr Romero was standing in the doorway, one foot on one side of the line with his cigarette on the outside, and the other foot on the inside with that hand holding his beer., You see he wasnt allowed to leave the building with the beer and wasnt allowed to smoke inside.
So I show up and disturb the standoff..

So, he eyes me,,Replys, "Sure buddy" and My pal Hal takes our picture,, then,, Gene Romero starts cursing,, "Get back here and take another one",, he explained that the cigarette and beer in his hands when we took the picture would have him in trouble with sponsors, Insisted I never show anyone that picture, and we retook the picture with one arm behind his back with his ciggy and beer in that hand, and the other arm around my shoulder and both of us have big cheesy grins. All the while the security rent-a-cop giving us the stink eye.
we also took pix of my pal Hal Record with Gene as well but my story is much more interesting. I still honor his request but I can post the staged second picture. Im very proud of it.

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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby Matt Spencer » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:15 pm

noTTa TT , but . . . well . . . na.na.na,na etc .

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and Bob Wilkinson . :?

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http://www.obsessionistas.co.uk/triumph/

thruxton parts no.s last two sheets .

http://t120twin.free.fr/Triumph%20Techn ... 916-64.pdf

unit 650 race prep. Triumph bulliten No 14 .

http://www.britishonly.com/pdf/highperf ... 6-t120.pdf
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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby Matt Spencer » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:07 pm

http://www.billymegawatt.com/uploads/6/ ... racing.pdf

Prepareing the 1973 Triumph 750cc twin engine for use in dirt track , T.T. & road race competition . Factory Bulletin June 1973 .
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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby beng » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:13 am

Time Warp wrote:A good reason to have two of something.There seems to have been a lot of TT's for sale over the last six months or so on eBay.


There are probably more TT specials now than were built originally. Seeing what I have seen, I would be very wary of buying any Triumph TT special that has been "restored" in the United States.

60s Triumphs have been a big collectors item in the USA for decades now, there was an awful lot of Triumphs sold here back then, probably most of them, and there has been a lot of Triumph collectors here for decades also. Of course they all have to have a TT special to be a part of the "me too" club.

For a while I was a personal friend of a very well regarded Triumph collector/restorer here, we will call him "Mr. X" . He wanted a TT special and at first he was simply going to stamp "TT" onto the cases of a regular Bonneville by the serial number! I told him that someday the factory records would be easily accessed that showed which serial numbers were real TT Specials, and that sort of took the wind out of his sail, but in retrospect I wish he had done just that as it would have created positive proof of the forging that goes on in the classic motorcycle world.

He did end up with two Triumph TT/C Bonneville bikes though in a roundabout way. I found a real set of 67' TT cases in a hoard of parts on a farm and put him onto them, and I also came up with a set of 65' T120C cases which were in a Trackmaster dirt-track bike I bought, which he bought from me. Mr. X next found two frames that matched the year of the cases, and proceeded to weld up and re-stamp the serial numbers on them to match, then he went about building the two bikes up from bits and pieces laying around. He used fence-post clamps to hold the exhaust pipes up on both bikes.

Viola! Two rare collectible Triumphs! He never stopped to think that if someone somewhere else had the rolling chassis to his two engines that two other Triumphs might be running around with serial numbers identical to his, potentially creating four competition Triumphs where there were only two before, but those pursuing membership into the "me too" club seldom think of such things.

I also am well acquainted with a known restorer a few hundred miles from me who was bragging about how he could change the numbers on aluminum motorcycle parts so well it could not be told from factory marks.

The two bodged Competition Triumphs above were put together 20-25 years ago, how many more have been put together this way by "me too" club members?

In the last three decades in the USA thousands of classic British bikes have been bought, sold and traded before being put through the same restoration mill of bead-blasting everything, plastic coating everything, re-plating everything, then clear-coating everything. A lot of the bikes subjected to this were even pretty decent originals which the owner wanted to make "concours".

Having seen all this first hand, the USA is the last place I would source a restored classic bike, especially if I could not talk to someone who owned it back in the 50s or 60s.

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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby Rohan » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:31 pm

beng wrote: Viola! Two rare collectible Triumphs! He never stopped to think that if someone somewhere else had the rolling chassis to his two engines that two other Triumphs might be running around with serial numbers identical to his, potentially creating four competition Triumphs where there were only two before, but those pursuing membership into the "me too" club seldom think of such things.
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It is fairly well recorded that in earlier years some of the Indian, and HD, etc, race guys had race bikes with the same serial numbers.
This was for all sorts of reasons, but just having another bike readily available if something went wrong with the first avoided all sorts of 'administrative' problems.
Some apparently has as many as 6 of the same bike.
There is no reason to think that this practice ever stopped ?

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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby skipsoldbikes » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:26 pm

That is particularly true on Harley Davidsons, A friend of mine works for the State Hghiway payroll & they ALWAY run the frame numbers when they pull over Harleys.

Americans are not the only ones deceiving buyers, its not at all unusual in the UK either. I have several friends over there that have told me horror stories with restamped bikes, then trying to work with their government to get the paperwork right.

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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby acotrel » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:31 pm

I always believed Evel was an idiot, but watching that video, credit where it is due - he is a very smooth rider. I don't believe I ever got a 650 Triumph up on the back wheel, the back wheel used to spin first. I think the triples were easier to stand up, because of the different weight distribution and increased torque. I note the cam timing of the '59 Bonneville - we bought t he E3134 cam with the points extension (different number) for a '63 Bonnevile, and it became much quicker,
In one of those last photos, it looks as though the bike was fitted with an 8 inch brake, and the backing plate was SLS with no air scoop? Was that standard on the T120C dirt bikes ?
I thought my '58 Thunderbird had full width hubs with a similar backing plate , however they were 7 inch diameter ?
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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby Rohan » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:23 pm

skipsoldbikes wrote:That is particularly true on Harley Davidsons, A friend of mine works for the State Hghiway payroll & they ALWAY run the frame numbers when they pull over Harleys.

Americans are not the only ones deceiving buyers, its not at all unusual in the UK either. I have several friends over there that have told me horror stories with restamped bikes, then trying to work with their government to get the paperwork right.


For those race bikes, 'deceiving' is not the right word ?
That is simply how they operated then, and if thats what happens down the road decades later, who are we to criticise.?

Indeed, in the UK there was that age-related number plate shemozzle, where number plate Dealers were stamping frames
with old numbers to retrieve (and sell) old number plates. ClassicBike Magazine, was it, showed that 16H Norton frame that
had 35+ different frame numbers stamped into it !!, to reclaim 35 different old number plates. The UK rego system has a lot to answer
for, thats the only place on earth that has that crazy system ??

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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby skipsoldbikes » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:01 am

Sorry, I was not referring to the race bikes, I meant to say publicly sold bikes. The only reason it "seems" like there is more debauchery with re-stamping bikes in the USA, is because we have much larger quantity of bikes than say, England. We have over 9 MILLION registered bikes in the USA, & that doesn't include non-registered bikes, such as off-road bikes & unfinished projects (not that any of us on this forum has one of those :D ). That is 9 times the bikes registered in England (1 million), & 12 times the bikes registered in Australia (3/4 million).

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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby Time Warp » Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:34 pm

Not sure what all the excitement was about with a Bonneville that they took parts off (including the mufflers) and charged the same.

The TR6 (before the T120C stampings) and TR5 were around long before.

http://vimeo.com/6542120#at=0

http://vorhese.blogspot.com.au/2011/10/ ... h-tr6.html

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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby Matt Spencer » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:26 pm

Then theres the TR6 S S .

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Though the Bonne Engine did win Barcelona a few times , and set the World Land Speed Record more than once .

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And the T. T. / C would appear to predate the Thruxton . :P 8)

The specification would be the equivilant of the curent ' Super Sports ' . Cutting Edge , no point in going any further , youd only compromise some area .

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http://www.hoppybikes.co.uk/frame.htm Thruxton componentry .

" George is a leading Triumph Thruxton specialist and makes special parts for these very desirable bikes. From his early days of using a Thruxton for cafe racing on the A20 George progressed to proddie racing with the late Peter Butler. Their success is nowadays reflected in the quality of preparation coming from the Kent workshop.
Complete restorations, engine builds, and DIY supply is all available.
Thruxton parts are usually off the shelf and priced reasonably. Advice and quotations are free. "

Though some of those Beezers arnt to bad . :) :wink:

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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby andychain » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:24 am

For htose interested there are a lot of people dealing in Triumph 120 bit and
many parts are at best budget quality.

Ged at Skye Classic Motorcycles, yes no triumph in the title knows more than
anybody about T120s and T140s. plus many other Brits and his quality is good.

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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby pantah_good » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:55 am

A nice article is in the latest "Motorcycle Classics" on the T120 TT Specials and about a drop dead beautiful collection of each of the five years they were available.

http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-british-motorcycles/classic-triumph-motorcycles/triumph-t120-tt-specials-zmwz17mjzhur
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Re: TRIUMPH T 120 TT / T 120 C .

Postby auldblue » Tue May 09, 2017 3:38 pm

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Read this article about Ace Classics TT resto somewhere but just posting this photo cos I think the stick on plate on the mudguard must be legal and its what I wanted on the back of my Combat build bike. See what you think ( daytime MOT) I love the look!
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