Copying the Spitfire , R.R. Merlin , so itll fly over doubters & scoffers . Set Max Boost , Full Lean , Min RPMs ,
itll double the economy . Spotting opposition , its fine pitch , 2nd stage ' COMBAT ' boost , rich mixture , Guns ON .



Said to be rather efficent , pressure & volume , ejecting off the impeller combines forces .

[quote="hobot"]55 degrees with suspension tied down 3" but over an inch down left. Measured worse case fouling angle for R/L hard points location of triangulated crash cage. In no particular order taken with help of Wes reminding me how far I've yet to go, ugh, yet ahhh.

Ain't resized photo's so to see all if ya care, put cursor in image, R click then tag view image, then put cursor in that image and tap L click for full size and zoom or ctl + to zoom more.

Do note the straight steering this low prevents the hopping about seen on the supermotard's video sliding low wiping off the rider till slowed enough to get back on and then up and settled back in saddle before picking up his pace again, pashaw under powered corner cripple that can't take the loads of tire conflicts on edges like a good ole tamed isolastic rubber baby buggy Commando that don't need no 3rd leg down like an old man's cane to balance neither while still flying off at a tangent instead of power screwing it right down into the ground and missing.






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A moot point, Hobit, this is not a technically accurate way of measuring lean angle, as the front wheel is not straight, it’s rolling of the edge of the tyre, if you had been riding that bike at the time and allowed the front wheel to tuck in like this you would be kissing the Dirt/tarmac
To be really technical it should be counter steering….but nice try.

Bernhard wrote:
A moot point, Hobit, this is not a technically accurate way of measuring lean angle, as the front wheel is not straight, it’s rolling of the edge of the tyre, if you had been riding that bike at the time and allowed the front wheel to tuck in like this you would be kissing the Dirt/tarmac. To be really technical it should be counter steering….but nice try.

This method is only to check the clearance. Note that it is a non-running bike and nobody was hurt in the making of the photo (except maybe some old guy who hurt his back getting it leaned over for the photo)

The difference in the lean angle between having the front tire slightly left, center, or right, is negligible.

When I first started to go fast on the track, I had a serious near-crash when I dug the side stand mounting lug into the ground while leaned over in a corner. Just like the lug in these pictures. I hack-sawed it off the frame in the pits before the next session, after that, no problems.

Say Steve...What made you go for centrifugal charger, rather than a roots?

Hegel, those before me have found out positive displacement superchargers have a 'hard' hit to throttle as have fixed ratio of boost to rpm while the snail turbo type fan blowers have a softer' power hit. This is a non issue in bee line short sprint but could take one down while leaning on tire that's barely gripping already. Also the Drouin was read made bolt on so saves me money and errors trying to adapt a belt drive and correct size turbo charger. The lag and sudden hit of exhaust driven turbochargers also made cornering on delayed then spiking power curve less predicable. Centrifugal blowers produce less mixture heating than roots type compressors. Snail blowers essentially have no end to their boost rise as rpm increases but positive blowers run out of boost as rpm needs increase. So even at low rpm and lugging like throtttle a + compressor would need anti-detonation help but not the tamer onset of snail blower, so easier to dial in mixture with a draw through carb or injector that don't have a fuel bowl with vents to atmosphere pressure to compensate for. Also I've got likes of ducati 1198's and Suzuki SR!000's in my sights to embarrass up to 150 mph or so, such as top speeds attained so far on tracks like Barbers or Pike's Peak.

Drouin don't add but 15 lb so lighter set up than a roots type.
When I hit lean limits nothing but pure power can make it turn sharper accelerating. With instant tire over powering I can wind up frame harder faster for the air borne flings that result.

Drouin don't add but 15 lb so lighter set up than a roots type.
When I hit lean limits nothing but pure power can made it turn sharper accelerating. With instant tire over powering I can wind up frame harder faster for the air borne flings than result.

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A moot point, Hobit, this is not a technically accurate way of measuring lean angle, as the front wheel is not straight, it’s rolling of the edge of the tyre, if you had been riding that bike at the time and allowed the front wheel to tuck in like this you would be kissing the Dirt/tarmac
To be really technical it should be counter steering….but nice try.

Dear Bernard, you simply do not know what you are missing out on w/o a tri-linked lightened Command because I no longer consider counter steering as funnest fastest way around. Ms Peel allows 3 more faster funner ways around turns than ho hum counter steering ie: both tires in contract or traction. If a cycle or cycler can't let or make bike fall down on its own to enjoy straight steering at speed its no competition to Peel. When I run out of instant tire break loose power I have to revert back to beating sports bikes in phase two counter steering but that's still a non issue as Peel could out counter all of em too I found on just very good 750 Combat power set up. I can not ride with purpose on THE Gravel w/o bike automatically flicking into straight steering road following so its routine to me. I know how dangerous it is to ride a mc that's limited to counter steering so I never ever press my contestants lit up brigh tail lens going into turns and I don't linger in front of them to tempt them to try to follow me around and make deadly mistake in heat of the instant.
If ya think neck and neck type contests tested with elites, just forgetabouit.

Your un-knowing/ignorant reaction is mild compared to in my face sneers and insults I got from no-chicken stripe sports riders before reality checks, so much so I began a new side line hobby that starts with, "Can I tag along until bored?"
Along with Ass Grass or Cash under frame thermal change paint I'll add that cute motto too.

Seems to be coming together nicely. What are you using the large diameter upper frame tube for? Looks like you tapped an air valve into it. Cj

This method is only to check the clearance. Note that it is a non-running bike and nobody was hurt in the making of the photo (except maybe some old guy who hurt his back getting it leaned over for the photo)

The difference in the lean angle between having the front tire slightly left, center, or right, is negligible.

Ugh, just goes to show how much better tri-linked Peel is than any thing fielded prior as its inconceivable to everyone who sees or tests with me on Peel. The photo show's exactly how I have to straight steer not to crash like others at such low sharp turn angles, trying that on an elite or a supermotard and see them crash right and left. Poor dangerous cripple things. I do expect to change concepts of world view of cornering physics on some famous track days and bike magazine shoot outs. Can a too rigid elite take it? Nope, Can a too floppy eared Cdo take it? Nope. Can Ms Peel, yep in spades as what you see is just begining of merely phase 3 which Peel hooks up so good she pulls side ways wheelies the low which vastly increases lean fouling into a unicycle that can toss front into fast decreasing radius turn even harsher sharper. This is when fighter pilot breath control onsets/must be learned or vision dims and tunnels for blurring delay of eye focus on where to aim next shot, if still power enough on tap by then.

Seems to be coming together nicely. What are you using the large diameter upper frame tube for? Looks like you tapped an air valve into it. Cj

Thanks for noticing, its alloy oil fill cap with golden one way in vent for no spills when lain over or upside down in crashes I plan on d/t hazards I can't avoid. The whole oil system is installed and plumbed for function in photo's including barely seen oil filter. Only the exhaust eductor not installed yet but will only be a small hose seen down between engine and tranny gap on TS. Still have to pickle insides, but only after the welding to mount easy removable crash cage/fairing brace tabs. BTW this cap clears Peel fiber IS tank, which did have to shift back 3/4" but found that gave even more fork range, but not as much as half gallon size tank everyone laughed and sneered at Emprire rally, along with telling me I should paint or cover up the yellar sub air station as wouldn't impress the elite accomplished builders.

Air system is totally installed here too but for a few 1/4" tubes, some can be seen here and there just for half fast routing tests. So most the extra clutter to add to view will be electrics, lights and fuel hose. But non of that will block the view though Ms Peel.


Oh well

Postby Doug MacRae » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:05 am
When I first started to go fast on the track, I had a serious near-crash when I dug the side stand mounting lug into the ground while leaned over in a corner. Just like the lug in these pictures. I hack-sawed it off the frame in the pits before the next session, after that, no problems.

Oh My Oh My Oh My Bigger Brother Doug!... I look up to you from toe nail level.
You are the only rider on only bike I respect-fear the most in all the world of cycle-doom to compare notes with in handling and daring risk taking. Seriously you are the key for me to understand what's going on with Commando's that don't apply to other solid rigid engine chassis set ups. If you'd trust my construction I offer up Ms Peel to have your way with her, but got to last that long, ugh.

Gerry Bristow and I started on swash plate stabilizers in '03. Gerry was first i know to test teflon pad top steady but felt it buzz so sent it to me. Gerry had factory 850 in Italy he'd fly hi side ways up off a turn apex on a crest in special place so only one I could talk to about phase 3 and beyond straight steering handling antics. He was only able to ride till the end because I'd saved his L knee from joint replacement by long distance advice on upper neck brain stem injury/decay. At '04 Ohio rally he told me I was only reason he could travel but had one flair up after flying before hiking town steeps at ski resort, but thought of me - did his neck thing and immediately forgotaboutit even days later at camp grounds. One happy old fart I tell ya. Keep this data point in mind for your own future or old injury can make you infirm before your time.

Tom Davenport connected me with Bop Patton of rear cradle link fame just prior to Gerry's rub plate tests in '03 so I was first I know of to "make & test" a top rod w/o any buzz. I am not 1st to think up design John Taylor told me he'd drawn it up in late 90's but didn't produce d/t unknown buzz factor. Bryan Tyree was first in mid '70's with front link to tame rain groove freeways and it did.

I don't want to hurt bike or me nor die, nor anyone else pressing limits. I seek to know what limits your handling performance and how its sensed by you.

Of all the features of Ms Peel, compression releases included, a stand of some sort w/o the lug in the way has stumped me so far. I had alloy bicycle side stand scabbed on for Empire rally but on return just sitting in living room it fractured to fall on blower side that I'd feared so had already cleared a soft landing pad thank goodness.

Ms Peel becomes rather uncanny easier to pilot the harsher she's thrown around, the Only limiting quirks I've been able to induce going rather faster and harsher than I could spanking modern corner instructors or me on my modern, was ground effects lift/drop d/t fork eddies on air wedge ram down low *and* lo to hi side flings where 4 gal gas slosh hit forks so hard in flight - half way before landing to jerk front back to face outside of turn about a half a lane out of intended line of aim on steep down hill apex, ie: about directly at the tangent straight off the edge of turn at hi speed on rebounding tire squash and frame wrap/unwrap. YIKES!!! Hard hit on brake upright then straight steering phase 3 maniac power hook up saved us - barely- this side of painted line and cliff drop by nothing to lose reaction as too quick to bail out.

That early day in Peels pecking order discovery I'd called out to a group of sports riders for a hot shot in mood to dice it up with an obsolete cast iron rubber baby buggy. Two dozen heads and fingers pointed to the fella on a newish Triumph Speed Triple, who said he was heading back home on his favorite sections. I let him lead as didn't know the way and Peel's 520 sprocket teeth had a prior damage so chain would come off it I gave too much throttle, especially up steeps, so I couldn't accelerate to keep up in straights, but did keep him in reach up to 130 or so before next tight spots to slow down again for him in turns. He was one of the few to be jumping about in saddle and hi 5 hand smacks pulled up together after the joy ride instead of more commonl angry upset reactions. So point being - even torque crippled Ms Peel didn't hold up nothing out there.

Next time out, lifted, lighter, gas level aware plus vortex spoil generators, tail end drogue chute with big block power response, whooweepee!
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But But But, there was another event that day I've never spoken of here yet, that most severely ever tested me and Ms Peel - going 2-3 mph for minutes on end in a wheelie stand rolling burn out phase 5 handling lesion. No leaning at all so don't apply to this subject line.

Doug MacRae wrote:When I first started to go fast on the track, I had a serious near-crash when I dug the side stand mounting lug into the ground while leaned over in a corner. Just like the lug in these pictures. I hack-sawed it off the frame in the pits before the next session, after that, no problems.

YEEF!

At first read, I thought you were referring to the sidestand NUB (on the end), and wondered why you were racing with a street stand still installed on the bike?

If you're getting down to the sidestand LUG (mount), you're in the big leagues! Can't do that with standard downpipes, I don't think...