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They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby jimbo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:06 am

motoracer8 wrote:Yes, I agree they Arn't all in museums yet. I attended a international BSA rally a few weeks ago in Petaluma California where some 220 BSA's from all over the world came together and it seems most if not all were moving under their own power. With the exception of a very old BSA and a couple of race bikes we all gathered in a area for a group photo.

It was very cool as I have never seen that many single mark motorcycles at one time including 19 Gold Stars.

At a motorcycle event at mid Ohio several years ago there was a display of about 50 Vincent's including Rollie Free's bike, more Vincent's than I had ever seen in one gathering as well..

Ride em, don't hide em.


I was there , we got to ride a parade lap on the track during lunch break, waited to get on in the heat until we all melted, then it was really a parade lap :|
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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby worntorn » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:27 pm

The Rally was excellent, a four day affair with some great rides out from Weaverville California. There were 22 Vincents at the Rally. At the end of the Rally, the 15 U.S. bikes were all loaded in trailers for home. For some reason, even though we have much further to ride, all seven of the Canadian bikes were ridden about a thousand miles to the rally, and all seven were all that remained in the parking lot Sunday morning , ready for the ride home.
With the rides around Weverville we will put about 2500 miles on.
Here we are today heading home just south of Coos Bay Oregon, stopped for a break and a small repair. My friend lost the nipple from his clutch cable. Luckily he carries a tiny butane torch, soldering paste and solder. Back up and running in fifteen minutes.

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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby ashman » Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:15 pm

Its a pitty poeple don't put trust in their own bikes that they have to take them out on a trailer after 39 years of riding my Norton I have no problems riding it on long runs, even moden bikes can break down on the side of the road, its a risk we all take, even better when we make it home without any problems.

Enjoy the rest of you ride.

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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby motoracer8 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:03 pm

Yes, modern bikes do break down, not often any more. But when they do other than a flat or something minor there is more often than not no roadside repair.
Ride there

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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby worntorn » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:37 pm

I don't even bother carrying tools on the 05 Triumph Daytona, wouldn't know where to start with it. I should put in a can of tire foam to deal with flats on the tubeless tires on that bike.
For the Vincent tires I carry two spare tubes, tire irons, rim protectors, talcum powder and a tire pump plus a patching kit.

I think the main reason so many are now trailering even a couple hundred miles is rider age. Most of the seventy plus year olds are not up to riding an old motorcycle around in LA traffic, for example.

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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby worntorn » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:44 pm

Back home again, fields to mow, lawns to mow and weeds to kill. But I am ready to be off the bike for awhile.
2,478 miles covered. It ran like a dream. Only problem encountered was the burned out voltage regulator which had no effect on operation of the bike once the big 18ah battery was in place. I am sure it would run two full/days or about six hundred miles without charging. I charged it each night to be sure.
The small Li battery died and would no longer take a charge after the first discharge to 12.6 volts. I disconnected it and will dispose of it. I met three other fellows at the rally who have tried Shorai Li batteries unsucessfully, one in a new KTM. My Li battery is/was a Ballistic.

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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby ML » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:16 pm

[quote="Fast Eddie
I am actually a fan of magnetos though. The only reason I decided against one for my Vin was the theory that the second cylinder will never receive 'proper' spark as there is inadequate 'charge time' between the first and second spark.

Is that a theory that you agree with?[/quote]

And that is why you go and fit a modern BTH magneto with 2 x capacitors (mini coils) that charge up before the kick cycle.

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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby worntorn » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:38 pm

My riding mate's bike , the other bike in the photos, has a new BTH. It starts reasonably well, but nothing like my one kick wonder with the dual point dual coil converted Commando ignition. It wows everyone, consistently starts easier than any of electronic ignition bikes or magneto bikes with reconditioned mags. Bikes with original mags generally are about useless, especially once warm.
I noticed my friend's bike with the new generation BTH generally took two or three kicks and sometimes , especially when left sit for an hour or so, took multiple kicks to fire up. It is my understanding that the new BTH is not really a magneto, but a small internal generator with an electronic ignition fired by that generator.
In any case, I will put up with tidying up and setting the points every 15,000 miles for the ease of starting and supersmooth idle. There is something about that great big fat blue spark at very low kick over speed that just makes the engine jump to life.

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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby Mark » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:56 pm

2500 miles on a Vincent sounds like a GREAT ride!
I am envious and not ashamed to admit it.

Old bikes and the pacific coast, not a bad combination.
Post more pics.

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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby Time Warp » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:46 pm

worntorn wrote:My riding mate's bike , the other bike in the photos, has a new BTH. It starts reasonably well, but nothing like my one kick wonder with the dual point dual coil converted Commando ignition.
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Can you divulge some more detail please, it is based on a 67 / 68 Commando distributor ?
Great Vincent report of course.
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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby worntorn » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:05 pm

The bike came to me with this ignition. There is no distributor, just a set of points, a condensor and coil for each cylinder. Apparently this was the hot setup for Vincents back in the 1970s. I have seen one or two home built versions, which mine may be, though I think it is more likely a "Dolphin" unit. It uses the late model Commando dual points and backing plate, though the individual point set mounting positions on the backer plate have been changed to create the 50 degree timing for the Vincent. I'm not certain if the points cam is from a Commando or is custom made. The points and condensors are mounted in a three point magneto replacement housing.
I have a Series D distributor on my other Rapide. It gives a good spark but the Dolphin dual point unit appears to produce a hotter spark.
The bike with the Dolphin unit also outperforms my Distributor ignition bike, even though on paper it should be the other way around. So far it has out pulled every Vincent I have ridden with, even some that were highly modified for extra performance.

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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby swooshdave » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:08 pm

And you didn't stop in Portland? :(
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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby worntorn » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:02 am

My apologies Dave.
We were travelling with a group and they wanted to stick to the 101. If I am on a solo run down that way next time I will stop in. :oops:

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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby swooshdave » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:57 pm

worntorn wrote:My apologies Dave.
We were travelling with a group and they wanted to stick to the 101. If I am on a solo run down that way next time I will stop in. :oops:

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Fair enough! We would have been glad to make a run to the coast, schedules permitting. Ain't that far!
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Re: They aren't all in Museums just yet!

Postby wot » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:49 pm

Havin' a beer with the guys at Gregg's last Tuesday night and a guy rode in on a nice Vincent with a sidecar. Sorry, didn't get a photo. They are still out there.

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