ludwig wrote:Inner tubes are around 1 lbs .
getting rid of them would mean 2 lbs less where it matters most :

http://www.alpinaraggi.it/en

My brother has these on his Bonneville , but sadly enough they don't have the sizes that would suit me ..

I was going to ask, how can you use tubeless tyres on wire spoked wheels unless , I repeat, unless you have the spoke nipples producing from the side of the rim -thus making the rim a sealed part-Moto Guzzi, BMW are some who have adopted this principle.
I am not knocking this idea ;
http://www.alpinaraggi.it/en

but, you are then dependent on all those little rubber seals holding & not perishing e.t.c.

Bernhard wrote:..but, you are then dependent on all those little rubber seals holding & not perishing e.t.c.

Yes , and they do an exellent job at it .
These guys are not amateurs .
If you are a paranoiac , maybe you could replace them by each tire change ?
I know others (Hobot ? ) tried to seal the rims in a different way , but if you have to use 300 grams of 'stuff ' to do it , whats the point ? . Plus , this is something I wouldn't want to experiment with ..

When shedding weight , it is VERY important to keep an eye on the suspended /unsuspended weight ratio .
I'm afraid this is where bwolfie is a little off track .
Your attention must go first to unsuspended weight , and more particular , the wheels .
That's why tubeless rims would be such an improvement .
A 330 lbs Commando with std wheels could become very uncomfortable .
If you have the money to shed 10 lbs off the chassis , or 5 lbs off the wheels , put your money in the wheels .
A lighter bike will always be more sensitive to road irregularities anyway , so you may soon find out that your good old Hagons suddenly aren't so good anymore . = more money ..

Ludwig you must of weighed some cheap thin tubes as mine weigh over a lb and then must also add the rim valley strap too. If you didn't use the special nipples to seal rims, what have you done in that regard?

Reading Burt Munroe's riding history reveals more serious recovery times from as serious successful riding intact.

Diablouph wrote:

Re: The heavy subject of weight...

by Dances with Shrapnel » Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:35 pm



Cheesy wrote: You have to look closely at Ludwig's bike to spot the differences


I would not mind having a peak if Ludwig would oblige to post a few pictures. Sounds like Ludwig has done his homework.

I second that. I would love to see 10 or 20 pictures of his bike and ideas.

Well , It may seem odd for some , but I actually have very few pics of my Commando .
Most are from traveling , and even those are mostly taken by others .
I rarely carry a camera ( too heavy ..)
But a do have plenty of pict of construction details .

somewhere in Slovenia :


home :


This is an old picture , like 3 sets of rear shocks and 5 fork internals ago .
Maybe I'll have to take some new ones ..

Yes please, I have always liked the look of your bike. How many miles do you guess you have put on it?